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- - By Lothar Jung Date 2020-01-11 14:26 Edited 2020-01-11 14:40
Jetzt auch unter TC gegen SF10 und T40.
Von 256x20-T40-1541 (SV strongest 20b net) nur 21 Elo entfernt.

**Match:** Gauntlet SF10 vs 61900
**Hardware:** Geforce RTX 2070S & i7-5960X (8 cores/16 threads)
**Lc0 version:** v0.23.2
**Lc0 options:** --backend=cudnn-fp16
**SF9 options:** Threads=13 Hash=512
**SF10 options:** Threads=14 Hash=512
**Speed:** Lc0:13.4 kN/s, SF9:12317 kN/s, SF10:12401 kN/s (from benchmarks)
**Time control:** 15s+0.5s
**Book:** openings-8ply-10k.pgn, random, color reversed
**Tablebases:** 6-man syzygy
**Adjudication:** 6-man TB, -draw movenumber=50 movecount=5 score=8 -resign movecount=5 score=1000
**Software:** cutechess-cli
**Comments:** I would be careful about drawing any conclusions about 61900 vs J13B.2-188 from this as they have not played each other directly.

```diff

   # PLAYER                :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)  CFS(%)     W     D     L
+  1 lc0.net.61900         :    4.92  20.77   408.5     750  54.5      68   196   425   129
   2 lc0.net.J13B.2-188    :    0.00   ----  1128.5    2000  56.4     100   563  1131   306
-  3 stockfish_10          :  -27.23  12.59  1582.0    3250  48.7      72   617  1930   703
   4 lc0.net.61800         :  -32.01  20.41   370.0     750  49.3      88   131   478   141
   5 lc0.net.61300         :  -48.05  20.70   393.5     750  52.5      56   184   419   147
   6 lc0.net.61700         :  -49.61  15.63   743.5    1500  49.6      87   313   861   326
   7 lc0.net.61600         :  -61.94  20.85   379.0     750  50.5      61   170   418   162
   8 lc0.net.61500         :  -65.29  20.80   375.5     750  50.1      52   179   393   178
   9 stockfish_9           :  -65.76  12.84  3407.5    7000  48.7      72  1471  3873  1656
  10 lc0.net.61200         :  -70.55  20.31   370.0     750  49.3      61   158   424   168
  11 lc0.net.61100         :  -73.90  20.74   366.5     750  48.9      52   157   419   174
  12 lc0.net.61400         :  -74.38  20.60   366.0     750  48.8      70   154   424   172
  13 lc0.net.61000         :  -80.61  21.19   359.5     750  47.9     ---   154   411   185

White advantage = 54.02 +/- 2.30
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 58.60 % +/- 0.51

```

**Match** Round-Robin
**LC0-version:** v0.23.1
**LC0 options:** default
**Time control:** 100,000 nodes/move for 42767 vs. 66667 nodes/move for 61902
**Hardware:** Titan RTX and Intel®️ Xeon®️ Gold 6142 Processor
**Book:** aloril_opening_suite with reverse
**Tablebases:** 6 man Syzygy
**Adjudication:** movecount=4 score=400
**Software:** Cutechess
**Comment:** Possibly T60 reaches or exceeds level of late T40 nets at MTC with T60 at 1/3 less nodes. Curiously T60 suffers all of the 5 losses as white.
**Results:**
```
   # PLAYER      :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)  CFS(%)    W    D    L  D(%)
   1 61902       :     5.4   13.7   203.0     400    51      78   38  330   32    83
   2 LC_42767    :     0.0   ----   197.0     400    49     ---   32  330   38    83

White advantage = 52.98 +/- 7.24
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 90.19 % +/- 2.20

**Match**:  61915 vs 256x20-T40-1541 (SV strongest 20b net)
**LC0 version:** 0.23.2
**LC0 options:** cudnn-fp16, *1 thread, cpuct=1.45, fpu=0.24, pst=1.85, cpuct-base=5000*
**Time control:**   1Kn/move
**Hardware:** RTX 2070
**Book:** SuperGM_4mvs_500 book, in sequence, reversed color
**Tablebases:** 6-man TB
**Adjudication**: 6-man TB, -draw movenumber=50 movecount=5 score=8 -resign movecount=5 score=1000
**Software:**cutechess-cli
**Speed:** Average nps from the pgn file: T40B-1541: 17.5 knps, T60: 9.2 knps
**Comments:** 61915 vs T40-1541: +130 -191 =679 (-21 elo): T60 progresses quite steadily.

```diff
1 thread, vs 256x20-t40-1541 at 1 Knpm, cpuct=1.45, fpu=0.24, pst=1.85, cpuct-base=5000

   # PLAYER                     :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)  CFS(%)    W     D    L
   1 lc0.net.J13B.2-136         :       2     11   503.5    1000  50.4      66  134   739  127
-  2 lc0.net.256x20-t40-1541    :       0   ----  2681.5    5000  53.6     100  970  3423  607
+  3 lc0.net.61915              :     -21     12   469.5    1000  47.0      84  130   679  191
   4 lc0.net.61900              :     -30     12   457.5    1000  45.8      80  121   673  206
   5 lc0.net.61884              :     -37     12   447.0    1000  44.7      68  113   668  219
   6 lc0.net.61866              :     -42     12   441.0    1000  44.1     ---  109   664  227
```

```

Sehr interessant ist zur Zeit das Tunier von Endosani:

Houndini und Komodo sind abgeschlagen und spielen keine Rolle.
Die beiden T60-Netze schlagen sich gut, über 50 %.
Stärkstes T58-Netz spielt erstaunlich und hat SF dev geschlagen.
Der Benchmark ist LS13, SV-Netze und SF10 dev/SF11.
T60 könnte in diese Gruppe hineinwachsen.
Parent - - By Lothar Jung Date 2020-01-11 17:54
Parent - By Lothar Jung Date 2020-01-12 12:00
Neuer Stand des Tests von Endosani auf Twitch:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539960268982059008/665867831123902464/unknown.png

Netz 61919 hat sich um 2 Plätze auf Rang 5 verbessert.
Parent - By Lothar Jung Date 2020-01-13 22:20 Edited 2020-01-13 22:27
Netz 61915 führt mit 6 Punkten gegen SF10  bei 79/100 Partien in einem Tunier von Mattblachess auf Twitch.

Auch auf Twitch führt das Netz 61949 das Tunier von Endosani gegen SF-dev an, mit dabei LS13, SV1705.

Hier ein anderer Test Netz 61898 gegen SF-dev:

**Tuning:** PolicyTemperature with latest T60 net vs. SF-dev
**LC0-version:** v0.23.2
**LC0 options:** Id61792, Backend=cudnn-fp16, Threads=1, MoveOverheadMs=0, NNCacheSize=2000000
**SF options:** 16 threads, Contempt=0, Hash=64/128/256
**Hardware:** Ryzen 7 2700 + RTX 2080TI
**Tablebases:** 6-man
**Adjudication:** 6-man TBs + `-resign movecount=3 score=550`, `-draw movenumber=1 movecount=10 score=5`, captures and pawn moves resetting draw counter
**Software:** CLOP + Cutechess-CLI (time forfeits disabled with `timemargin=1000`)

**1st tuning run:**
**Time control:** 15s/game+0.15s/move (LC0), 11s/game+0.11s/move (SF)
**Speed:** Nodes/move: ~7000 (LC0)
**Book:** balanced 3-move-book
**2nd tuning run:**
**Time control:** 25s/game+0.25s/move (LC0), 20s/game+0.20s/move (SF)
**Speed:** Nodes/move: ~12500 (LC0)
**Book:** unbalanced 3-move-book
**3rd tuning run:**
**Time control:** 45s/game+0.45s/move (LC0), 40s/game+0.40s/move (SF)
**Speed:** Nodes/move: ~24000 (LC0)
**Book:** unbalanced 3-move-book

**Results:**
```
                     default    tuned   av.nodes/move   games   run
PolicyTemperature      2.2       2.01        7000        1500    1
PolicyTemperature      2.2       1.82       12500        1750    2
PolicyTemperature      2.2       1.94       24000        1500    3
```
**Test match:** 2nd run conditions
**LC0 options:** Id61898, PolicyTemperature=1.8 and default

```
   # ENGINE         :  RATING  ERROR  CFS(%)   GAMES  DRAWS(%)  SCORE(%)
   1 lc0-tuned-1.8  :      38     14    97.2    1000      54.1      55.1
   2 lc0-default    :      20     13    99.9    1000      53.3      52.8
   3 stockfish      :       0   ----     ---    2000      53.7      46.0

White advantage = 85.7 +/- 5.0
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 58.0 % +/- 1.2```
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