Top8 ultimate nach Runde 1

By Gerhard Sonnabend Date 2009-03-03 18:40

Frage:
Weshalb läuft bei Dir immer Rybka Dynamic und nicht die "Standardengine" ?

By Clemens Keck Date 2009-03-03 19:31

Hallo Gerhard

ich habe nicht vor nur mit R3D zu spielen. Die human und die default rybka 3 sind auch intressant. In diesem speziellen Fall wollte ich aber ein gleiches Teilnehmerfeld mit unterschiedlichen Zeitkontrollen. Also erstes Turnier 90+0, nun 90+30.
Gruß, Clemens

By Bert Rinzel Date 2009-03-03 21:14

Hi Clemens,

Rybka hatte in den beiden spielen gegen Naum und Shredder mit schwarz so gut wie keine möglichkeit zu gewinnen.

Diese Eröffnung ist für schwarz fast immer verloren.

Bert

By Clemens Keck Date 2009-03-03 21:49

Hi Bert

man müsste das mal als Teststellung mit anderen engines durchspielen. Scheinbar wirklich unglücklich gelaufen, weil 2 mal exact gleiche Stellung.

MfG Clemens

By Bert Rinzel Date 2009-03-03 22:29

Hi Clemens,

ich spreche aus leidvoller erfahrung. Habe die eröffnung früher häufig verloren.

Bert

By Roland Rösler Date 2009-03-05 15:04

Naja, R3D hat seinen Fehlstart inzwischen ausgeglichen!

Habe heute morgen die Partie R3D vs. Naum (1-0) verfolgt. Eine sagenhafte Partie. Vielleicht kannst Du sie hier mal posten. Würde mich freuen und interessieren, was die anderen dazu sagen.

By Clemens Keck Date 2009-03-05 15:25

Hallo Roland

chessbase legt automatisch eine ständig aktualisierte pgn ab, wenn live Partien übertragen werden. games.pgn heist die pgn. also:
http://www.clemens-keck.de/live%20games/games.pgn

die Partie ist in meinen Augen seltsam, da die Bewertungen erschreckend weit auseinander gehen. Lässt sich das wenigstens in der Nachanalyse annähernd reproduzieren?
MfG Clemens

[Event "top8ultimate"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.03.05"]
[Round "2.3"]
[White "Rybka 3 Dynamic x4"]
[Black "Naum 4 x4"]
[ECO "B19"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 {0.00/0 0s} c6 {0.00/0 0s} 2. d4 {0.00/0 0s} d5
{0.00/0 0s} 3. Nc3 {0.00/0 0s} dxe4 {0.00/0 0s} 4. Nxe4
{0.00/0 0s} Bf5 {0.00/0 0s} 5. Ng3 {0.00/0 0s} Bg6 {0.00/0
0s} 6. h4 {0.00/0 0s} h6 {0.00/0 0s} 7. Nf3 {0.00/0 0s} Nd7
{0.00/0 0s} 8. h5 {0.00/0 0s} Bh7 {0.00/0 0s} 9. Bd3
{0.00/0 0s} Bxd3 {0.00/0 0s} 10. Qxd3 {0.00/0 0s} e6
{0.00/0 0s} 11. Bd2 {+0.20/18 2:11m} Ngf6 {(Dc7) -0.26/22
3:29m} 12. O-O-O {+0.28/18 2:16m} a5 {(Ld6) -0.19/22 5:54m}
13. Rde1 {(Kb1) +0.32/17 3:21m} Bb4 {(Le7) -0.11/20 2:11m}
14. c3 {(a3) +0.49/17 1:45m} Be7 {-0.01/21 1:40m} 15. Nh4
{(Se4) +0.24/18 4:50m} Nd5 {(0-0) -0.01/20 1:07m} 16. Ng6
{+0.90/17 1:01m} fxg6 {-0.61/21 1:16m} 17. Qxg6+ {+1.06/19
3:11m} Kf8 {-0.67/23 0s} 18. Rxe6 {+1.06/20 1:58m} Qe8
{-0.84/23 8:22m} 19. Nf5 {+0.95/22 0s} Qxg6 {-0.77/24
5:51m} 20. hxg6 {+1.34/22 8:06m} N7b6 {-0.77/24 0s}
21. Rhe1 {+1.34/22 4:29m} Bg5 {(Te8) -0.79/24 0s} 22. b3
{(Sd6) +1.95/17 1:33m } Rd8 {-1.12/19 2:07m} 23. c4
{+2.76/19 1:08m} Nf4 {-2.43/20 1:34m} 24. Bxf4 {+3.08/19
1:16m} Bxf4+ {-2.43/23 0s} 25. Kc2 {+3.08/21 2:55m} Nc8
{-2.69/24 2:34m} 26. g3 {(T1e4) +3.28/22 1:50m} Nd6
{-2.13/23 1:24m} 27. Nxd6 {+3.28/23 44s} Bxd6 {-2.33/25
2:22m} 28. c5 {+3.28/24 1:49m} Bb8 {-2.71/25 2:52m} 29. Re7
{+3.28/24 22s} h5 {-2.68/26 4:20m} 30. Rf7+ {+3.68/24
13:42m} Kg8 {-2.86/28 7:47m} 31. Ree7 {+3.48/25 6:17m} Rh6
{-3.04/28 3:42m} 32. Rxg7+ {+3.68/24 8:38m} Kh8 {-3.04/29
6:44m} 33. Kc3 {+3.68/25 3:10m} h4 {-2.64/28 1:12m}
34. Rh7+ {+3.88/23 7:54m} Rxh7 {-2.64/28 6:03m} 35. Rxh7+
{+3.88/22 0s} Kg8 {-2.86/8 0s} 36. gxh4 {+4.04/23 4:34m}
Rf8 {-2.46/25 5:32m} 37. Rxb7 {+4.04/23 16s} Bf4 {(Lh2)
-3.16/24 5:02m} 38. Rb6 {+4.34/18 1:29m} Rf6 {-3.19/24
4:35m} 39. h5 {+4.38/22 0s} Rf5 {-3.16/23 1:11m} 40. Rxc6
{+4.78/22 4:33m} Rxh5 {-3.59/24 3:19m} 41. Re6 {+4.90/21
39s} Kg7 {-3.59/24 2:00m} 42. c6 {+5.10/21 2:28m} Rh6
{(Kh6) -3.59/23 1:49m} 43. Kc4 {+5.10/19 0s} Rxg6 {(Th4)
-3.59/23 2:41m} 44. Rxg6+ {(c7) +7.76/14 1:29m} Kxg6
{-2.30/6 0s} 45. Kb5 {+8.16/15 3:44m} Kf6 {(Kf5) -9.88/19
3:23m} 46. Kxa5 {+5.10/18 0s} Kf7 {-9.27/17 2:35m} 47. Kb6
{(Kb5) +12.32/14 0s} Ke7 {(Ke8) -M30/26 1:04m} 48. b4
{(Kb7) +12.35/12 53s} Bd6 {-M36/23 41s} 49. Kb7 {+14.04/13
58s} Kd8 {(Lxb4) -M35/3 0s } 50. b5 {+21.08/13 54s} Bc7
{(Lb4) -M34/3 0s} 51. b6 {+42.06/14 33s} Bf4 {(Lh2) -M33/3
0s} 52. c7+ {+42.96/14 2:41m} Ke7 {-M32/3 0s} 53. c8=Q
{+43.64/13 35s} Kf6 {(Ld6) -M31/3 0s} 54. Qf8+ {(Ka6)
+45.00/13 2:00m} Kg5 {-M28/5 0s } 55. Qxf4+ {+45.71/12
1:14m} Kxf4 {-M27/5 0s} 56. Kc6 {(Kc7) +45.57/12 57s} Kf3
{-M25/13 0s} 57. a4 {(b7) +46.44/12 1:11m} Ke2 {(Ke4)
-M17/14 0s } 58. a5 {(b7) +46.48/12 31s} Kd3 {(Kf1) -M15/12
0s} 59. d5 {(b7) +47.65/12 31s} Kc4 {(Ke4) -M13/12 0s }
60. d6 {(b7) +M10/12 36s} Kd3 {(Kd4) -M12/9 0s} 61. Kd5
{(b7) +47.32/11 57s} Kc3 {(Ke2) -M13/9 0s} 62. a6 {(b7)
+48.44/12 49s} Kb3 {(Kd3) -M12/13 0s} 63. a7 {(b7)
+49.36/12 43s} Kc3 {(Kb4) -M10/11 0s } 64. a8=Q {(b7) +M6/9
2s} Kd2 {(Kc2) -M10/8 0s} 65. Qa2+ {(d7) +M5/5 0s} Kd1
{(Kd3) -M6/8 0s} 66. b7 {+M4/5 0s} Ke1 {-M5/3 0s} 67. f4
{(d7) +M3/4 0s} Kf1 {(Kd1) -M2/3 0s} 68. b8=Q {+M2/3 0s}
Ke1 {(Kg1) -M1/3 0s} 69. Qbb1# {+M1/3 0s} 1-0

By Clemens Keck Date 2009-03-05 15:37

es scheint eine Eigenart der Partieablage zu sein. In der schnellen Nachanalyse kommt Naum 4 auf ähnlich scores aber mit anderem Vorzeichen.
Hier die PGN direkt vom Rechner:
[Event "top8ultimate"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.03.05"]
[Round "2.3"]
[White "Rybka 3 Dynamic x4"]
[Black "Naum 4 x4"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B19"]
[Annotator "0.20;0.26"]
[PlyCount "137"]
[EventDate "2009.02.27"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[TimeControl "5400+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz 3000 MHz W=17.6 ply; 231kN/s;
10.238 TBAs; chessbase-mega.ctg B=18.1 ply; 3.112kN/s; 4.137.036 TBAs;
chessbase-mega.ctg} 1. e4 {B 0} c6 {B 0} 2. d4 {B 0} d5 {B 0} 3. Nc3 {B 0} dxe4
{B 0} 4. Nxe4 {B 0} Bf5 {B 0} 5. Ng3 {B 0} Bg6 {B 0} 6. h4 {B 0} h6 {B 0} 7.
Nf3 {B 0} Nd7 {B 0} 8. h5 {B 0} Bh7 {B 0} 9. Bd3 {B 0} Bxd3 {B 0} 10. Qxd3 {B 0
} e6 {B 0} 11. Bd2 {0.20/18 131} Ngf6 {0.26/22 209 (Dc7)} 12. O-O-O {0.28/18
136} a5 {0.19/22 354 (Ld6)} 13. Rde1 {0.32/17 201 (Kb1)} Bb4 {0.11/20 131 (Le7)
} 14. c3 {0.49/17 105 (a3)} Be7 {0.01/21 100} 15. Nh4 {0.24/18 290 (Se4)} Nd5 {
0.01/20 67 (0-0)} 16. Ng6 {0.90/17 61} fxg6 {0.61/21 76} 17. Qxg6+ {1.06/19 191
} Kf8 {0.67/23 0} 18. Rxe6 {1.06/20 118} Qe8 {0.84/23 502} 19. Nf5 {0.95/22 0}
Qxg6 {0.77/24 351} 20. hxg6 {1.34/22 486} N7b6 {0.77/24 0} 21. Rhe1 {1.34/22
269} Bg5 {0.79/24 0 (Te8)} 22. b3 {1.95/17 93 (Sd6)} Rd8 {1.12/19 127} 23. c4 {
2.76/19 68} Nf4 {2.43/20 94} 24. Bxf4 {3.08/19 76} Bxf4+ {2.43/23 0} 25. Kc2 {
3.08/21 175} Nc8 {2.69/24 154} 26. g3 {3.28/22 110 (T1e4)} Nd6 {2.13/23 84} 27.
Nxd6 {3.28/23 44} Bxd6 {2.33/25 142} 28. c5 {3.28/24 109} Bb8 {2.71/25 172} 29.
Re7 {3.28/24 22} h5 {2.68/26 260} 30. Rf7+ {3.68/24 822} Kg8 {2.86/28 467} 31.
Ree7 {3.48/25 377} Rh6 {3.04/28 222} 32. Rxg7+ {3.68/24 518} Kh8 {3.04/29 404}
33. Kc3 {3.68/25 190} h4 {2.64/28 72} 34. Rh7+ {3.88/23 474} Rxh7 {2.64/28 363}
35. Rxh7+ {3.88/22 0} Kg8 {2.86/8 0} 36. gxh4 {4.04/23 274} Rf8 {2.46/25 332}
37. Rxb7 {4.04/23 16} Bf4 {3.16/24 302 (Lh2)} 38. Rb6 {4.34/18 89} Rf6 {3.19/
24 275} 39. h5 {4.38/22 0} Rf5 {3.16/23 71} 40. Rxc6 {4.78/22 273} Rxh5 {3.59/
24 199} 41. Re6 {4.90/21 39} Kg7 {3.59/24 120} 42. c6 {5.10/21 148} Rh6 {3.59/
23 109 (Kh6)} 43. Kc4 {5.10/19 0} Rxg6 {3.59/23 161 (Th4)} 44. Rxg6+ {7.76/14
89 (c7)} Kxg6 {2.30/6 0} 45. Kb5 {8.16/15 224} Kf6 {9.88/19 203 (Kf5)} 46. Kxa5
{5.10/18 0} Kf7 {9.27/17 155} 47. Kb6 {12.32/14 0 (Kb5)} Ke7 {#30/26 64 (Ke8)}
48. b4 {12.35/12 53 (Kb7)} Bd6 {#36/23 41} 49. Kb7 {14.04/13 58} Kd8 {#35/3 0
(Lxb4)} 50. b5 {21.08/13 54} Bc7 {#34/3 0 (Lb4)} 51. b6 {42.06/14 33} Bf4 {#33/
3 0 (Lh2)} 52. c7+ {42.96/14 161} Ke7 {#32/3 0} 53. c8=Q {43.64/13 35} Kf6 {
#31/3 0 (Ld6)} 54. Qf8+ {45.00/13 120 (Ka6)} Kg5 {#28/5 0} 55. Qxf4+ {45.71/12
74} Kxf4 {#27/5 0} 56. Kc6 {45.57/12 57 (Kc7)} Kf3 {#25/13 0} 57. a4 {46.44/12
71 (b7)} Ke2 {#17/14 0 (Ke4)} 58. a5 {46.48/12 31 (b7)} Kd3 {#15/12 0 (Kf1)}
59. d5 {47.65/12 31 (b7)} Kc4 {#13/12 0 (Ke4)} 60. d6 {#10/12 36 (b7)} Kd3 {
#12/9 0 (Kd4)} 61. Kd5 {47.32/11 57 (b7)} Kc3 {#13/9 0 (Ke2)} 62. a6 {48.44/12
49 (b7)} Kb3 {#12/13 0 (Kd3)} 63. a7 {49.36/12 43 (b7)} Kc3 {#10/11 0 (Kb4)}
64. a8=Q {#6/9 2 (b7)} Kd2 {#10/8 0 (Kc2)} 65. Qa2+ {#5/5 0 (d7)} Kd1 {#6/8 0
(Kd3)} 66. b7 {#4/5 0} Ke1 {#5/3 0} 67. f4 {#3/4 0 (d7)} Kf1 {#2/3 0 (Kd1)} 68.
b8=Q {#2/3 0} Ke1 {#1/3 0 (Kg1)} 69. Qbb1# {#1/3 0} 1-0

gruß, Clemens