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- - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-13 15:47
Hello There,

SCCT Book ChampionShip IV is already started:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1231

The Current Leader: CEGT book - My Congratulations to CEGT Team !

Frankly,
This time, I am very disappointed with WorldChampions book's performance
Unfortunately currently its ranking is at last place (!
It looks like Houdini 4 suffers via WorldChampions book
For example in the previous tour, the same book finished as 9th place

Note that Book Registrations (up to 8 moves) are acceptable !

In case of interest to participate, please send your book to my E-Mail:


The registration date: 17 - 19 December 2014
Note: Registered books will be tested in gauntlet mode !

You have choice to prefer Hoidini 4, Komodo 8, Stockfish 5

I hope to see many book registrations in the current event...)!

Note also that,
In the beginning of the tournament, I set Stockfish 061214 for all book participants
But later I've change my mind, because I noticed nearly 90 % draws
That's why later I switched to 3 different engines:
Houdini 4 (H4)
Komodo 8 (K8)
Stockfish 5 (SF5)

For example after that moment,
The draw percentage is dropped to approx. 55 %

About book settings,
All books are playing with optimized book settings: min games: 3 up to 8 moves
Exception for Baracuda 2014d, it is s playing with Book Author's recommendation

As I mentioned before:
Here are the new conditions/rules for the current book tournament,
To be as book participant: minimum 100 opening lines are required
*For example, minimum 50 as Whites and 50 as Blacks openings
or 30 as Whites and rest  70 opening lines as Blacks
Note: I don't request totally different openings...
For example, your favorite openings can be English, Spanish, Sicilian...but not  exactly same and a few lines
Otherwise it will be too boring to see only B90 at 8...h5 or D43 etc...

Please note also that,
Up to 8 move book openings are allowed
Book Settings: recommended by the Book Authors

There will be qualifications for the current playing books:
So each participant will be played 200 games per player
And after that, only the Top 5 books will be continued of participating
The new registered books will be tested against Top 5 books

The books will be tested with Learning OFF (to see more various openings)
The rest conditions will be same as previous one (SCCT CS III)

And here are some of the opening books, which are currently running:
Baracuda 2014d (by Marijan)
CCRL (based on Top engine games played in CCRL)
CEGT (based on Top engine games played in CEGT)
FCT (based on Top engine games played in FCT)
HS-7moves plus (by Harry Schnapp)
ICCF (based on high-rated games played in ICCF server)
Perfect 2015 (based on Top engine games played mainly in SCCT)
PlayChess (based on high-rated engine games played in Playchess server)
SSDF (based on Top engine games played in SSDF)
TCEC (based on Top engine games played in TCEC)
WorldChampions (based on GMs games played in World Chess Championships)

BTW, I have good news,
Games and Perfect 2015 book will be available after the end of this tournament !

Best Regards,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-14 12:21
Update

The current Top 3 standings:
1 Perfect 2015 K8
2 CEGT SF5   
3 HS-7moves plus SF5

And very soon the 1st tour will be over and I will publish overall standings

Btw,
Just to make it more clear about my new idea/rules,
Ok...my new project is very new and it can be improved,
And any advice would be helpful...

So...any book maker can register with an opening book
And I don't claim exactly min 100 opening lines
But I wish to see variety of openings, because the test will be up to 8 moves

Just an example,
White's turn: your book should play at least 2 or 3 as main moves
For example: d4; e4; Nf3 etc...

1)Black's turn: if the Whites will prefer to play to e4,
Then your book should play at least 2-3 as main moves: c5; e5; e6 etc..

or another example,

2)Black's turn: if the Whites will prefer to play to d4,
Then your book should play at least 2-3 as main moves: Nf6; d5; e6 etc..

Otherwise in case of no similar rules,
Then I am afraid that we can see only a few opening lines

For more details,
See and check please the current participated books,
All playing books have more than 100 opening lines
And all of them oftenly prefer various openings...

And now what about you ?!)
Are you ready for a such exiting competition ?)

I think this kind of test is really very important !
Especially will be useful for engine testers who prefer short openings...

And if there will be interest..., then I plan to work over this project longer...
So in the early of 2015, the registration date will be open again...

More Information Coming Soon )!

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-14 17:14
The 1st tour is over !

And here are the qualified Top 5 books:
Perfect 2015 K8
CEGT SF5
HS-7moves plus SF5
CCRL SF5
SSDF H4

For Full Standings:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1231

Note also there is a possibility in the next 2nd tour,
Perfect 2015 book to be not as participant...
Or maybe I can participate with Houdini 4
A little note: Houdini 4 is approx. 20 Elo weaker than SF and K8
In other words,
I will do my best to be not as Champion on my own tourney )!

Actually I know perfectly that,
I should be a neutral TD and I should not participate with my own work
But I was wondering a lot about my used engine openings...

Ok...once more we noticed that,
Any engine Elo strength is highly depending on used openings...

Now it is your turn...
Be ready for the real Arena )!

Greetings,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-15 12:55
I was wondering also about,
How Houdini 4 + P2015 book will do against Top 5 participants
So far, its performance is not bad...

And here are the current played results:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1231

Ok...in case of any registrations for the second tour,
Probably I will participate with Perfect 2015 + Houdini 4 )
And I wish to see a very serious opponent against my Perfect 2015 H4
Actually I will be not surprised in that, because nowadays we have a lot of talented book makers
And with a big possibility we will see better performance than Perfect 2015 + Houdini 4

Note also that book registrations as 'Anonymous' are acceptable too
But however...it will be better with a real name to participate )!
Like 'SedatChess' user name on Playchess server during 2007-2009 years ))

Btw,
I hope to see commercial, free, private opening books too as registered participants )!

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-15 15:44
The 1st registered book participant for the 2nd tour:
Alexander the Great book by Sergei Markov (Russia)
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-16 11:06
Hello Chess Friends,

I am pleased to announce:
I started testing Alexander the Great book with Komodo 8 engine !

Alexander the Great will be played against Top 5 participants
Tournament conditions: Gauntlet mode, 20 games, Total 100 games

CCRL SF5
CEGT SF5
HS-7moves plus SF5
Perfect 2015 H4
SSDF H4

More Details:
Firstly all registered books will be played in Gauntlet mode with Komodo 8 engine
Komodo 8 engine will be used against the above Top 5 books (to see less draws)
Later... only the qualified books will be continued of participating...

In the Final:
- Only the qualified books will be played each other in Round-Robin mode
- The Authors of the qualified books will have right to prefer its favorite engine:
Houdini 4 or Komodo 8 or Stockfish 5

*Note that the qualified books means:
- The registered books should be rated better than CEGT SF5
-In other words, above than 3500 Elo

Note also that in case of Whites with e4:
- the Alexander the Great book is highly optimized to play only B90
Sad...it seems the Author of Alexander the Great missed to read my new rules )!
But however, only once I will make a compromise as 1st registered book...

But in the next...if again I will notice only same opening...sorry...
For example, with B90 at 8... h5 I have seen thousands of games )))

Thanks for your understanding and good luck to all players !)

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-16 12:52
Perfect 2015 + Stockfish 5 has been tested too
Almost same performance as Perfect 2015 + Komodo 8

For Latest Standings:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1231

BTW,
Alexander the Great K8's performance so far: 13/30

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-16 19:26
Alexander the Great book's test is completed:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1231

And its performance is 3457 Elo (less than 3500 Elo)
So unfortunately it could not qualify...

Who is the next gladiator )?

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-18 14:47
New Participated Book Players:
Balanced-12.ctg by Michael Scheidl (Germany)
Bformless.ctg by Emmanuel Dauwe
EightBall.ctg by Nick Carlin (England)
Junior12.ctg by GM Alon Greenfeld (Israel)
H12Book.ctg by by Mark Uniacke (England)

And finely we have a new Leader:
Junior12 book - My Congratulations to GM Alon Greenfeld !
Really I am impressed by Junior12 book performance...well tuned and has not many holes...!)

Note also that since 18.12.2014,
Perfect 2015 SF5 and Perfect 2015 K8 are removed from the database

And as I mentioned before,
I am not candidate to be a Champion, so only Perfect 2015 H4 will be left...

And here are the latest standings (with/without Perfect 2015 SF5/K8 book)

Code:
# PLAYER                    : RATING    POINTS   PLAYED   (%)
   1 Junior12 K8               : 3508.6      73.5     140   52.5%
   2 HS-7moves plus SF5        : 3502.5     219.0     410   53.4%
   3 CEGT SF5                  : 3500.0     217.5     410   53.0%
   4 CCRL SF5                  : 3499.0     206.5     390   52.9%
   5 Balanced-12 K8            : 3495.8      50.0     100   50.0%
   6 Perfect 2015 H4           : 3494.3     193.0     380   50.8%
   7 Baracuda 2014d SF5        : 3487.2      93.5     180   51.9%
   8 Bformless SF5             : 3484.6      48.5     100   48.5%
   9 SSDF H4                   : 3483.4     187.0     370   50.5%
  10 EightBall SF5             : 3471.3      55.5     120   46.3%
  11 PlayChess H4              : 3469.3      88.5     180   49.2%
  12 DFritz13 K8               : 3467.2      46.0     100   46.0%
  13 ICCF H4                   : 3465.7      87.5     180   48.6%
  14 Alexander the Great K8    : 3463.6      45.5     100   45.5%
  15 FCT K8                    : 3458.5      85.5     180   47.5%
  16 TCEC K8                   : 3444.1      81.5     180   45.3%
  17 H12Book K8                : 3438.2      42.0     100   42.0%
  18 WorldChampions H4         : 3436.9      79.5     180   44.2%


Code:
   # PLAYER                    : RATING    POINTS   PLAYED  (%)
   1 Perfect 2015 SF5          : 3519.3     191.5     360   53.2%
   2 Perfect 2015 K8           : 3514.1     194.5     360   54.0%
   3 Junior12 K8               : 3506.4      73.5     140   52.5%
   4 CEGT SF5                  : 3500.0     262.0     500   52.4%
   5 Perfect 2015 H4           : 3499.0     254.5     500   50.9%
   6 HS-7moves plus SF5        : 3498.6     261.0     500   52.2%
   7 CCRL SF5                  : 3496.4     249.0     480   51.9%
   8 Balanced-12               : 3492.9      50.0     100   50.0%
   9 Bformless SF5             : 3484.2      48.5     100   48.5%
  10 Baracuda 2014d SF5        : 3475.1     100.5     200   50.3%
  11 SSDF H4                   : 3471.1     221.0     460   48.0%
  12 EightBall SF5             : 3470.6      55.5     120   46.3%
  13 PlayChess H4              : 3465.3      97.5     200   48.8%
  14 DFritz13 K8               : 3464.3      46.0     100   46.0%
  15 Alexander the Great K8    : 3460.7      45.5     100   45.5%
  16 FCT K8                    : 3457.1      95.0     200   47.5%
  17 ICCF H4                   : 3453.9      94.0     200   47.0%
  18 TCEC K8                   : 3444.1      91.0     200   45.5%
  19 H12Book K8                : 3435.3      42.0     100   42.0%
  20 WorldChampions H4         : 3432.6      87.5     200   43.8%


More opening books are coming soon !)

Have fun,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-19 02:06
Breaking News !

Unfortunately,
Junior12 book lost the title...now is as 5th place

And SCCTChampions2014 SF5 is becoming as a new Book Leader !
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1231

No words to say, exception:
AMAZING ! with 55 % winning percentage against the Top 5 books !!

More details about the current SCCTChampions 2014 book,
The opening book lines are based mainly on games, played by Top 3 in SCCT Book Championships I,II,III 2004

And here are the owners/creators of the current played super strong lines of SCCTChampions2014:
2Xtreme book by John Burchill - 2nd of SCCT CS II
Comet book by Mike Nielsen - 2nd of SCCT CS I
DieHard book by Randy Sands (USA) - the Champion of SCCT CS I
Exodus by Vasid Chouhan (India) - the Champion of SCCT VI and 2nd of SCCT CS III
Guardian Angel by Giuseppe Petruccelli (Italy) - the Champion of SCCT SL III and 2nd of SCCT CS II/III
King Of Legends book by Munish Gupta (India)- the Champion of SCCT CS III
Laguna II book by Baboy - 2nd of SCCT CS I
Rocket X book by Dean Spouse (USA)  - the Champion of SCCT CS II 
SkIPanda book by Eros Riccio (Italy) - 3rd of SCCT CS I / SCCT CS II
    

Very soon more SCCT Champion Books are planing to be as participants:
For Examples:
SCCTChampions2008 will be played by Fire 4
SCCTChampions2009 will be played by Komodo 8
SCCTChampions2010 will be played by Stockfish 5
SCCTChampions2012 will be played by Houdini 4
SCCTAntiChampion (based on Champion books losses) will be played by Stockfish 5

And in the final...
It will very very exiting which book will the new Champion of SCCT CS IV )!

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-21 15:52
Last Updates:
Aleksandr SF5 - Updated book by Sergei Markov (Currently Running)
B6C-8mvs K8 - Opening book by Clemens Keck (Currently Running)
Graham K8 - Based on openings by GBSelect2014.cgb book
My2mo K8 - Opening book by Emmanuel Dauwe (Currently Running)
PlayChessTop5 SF5 - Based/Preferred mainly on openings by Top 5 Playchess players of December/April 2014
SALC K8 - Based on SALC 10.000 low draw-rate openings

More Details:
Champions books = created by Me, but based on SCCT Book Tournaments, played mainly by Top 3 players
Note also that each SCCT Champion book includes approx. 10.000 games
For example, PlayChessTop5 includes more than 50.000 games, played only by Stockfish on Playchess server
The Registration date is still open...the tour is planning to be continued in 2015 too
The played games (per player) will be sended in request to the registered Book Authors

For Standings:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1231

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-22 12:14 Edited 2014-12-22 12:23
Last Update:
JackStrong v2 book by Pawel Sekowski (Poland)
Currently as 2nd place, great performance, well-done to Sekos !

Also very good performance by PlayChessTop5 SF5 and Aleksandr SF5 books
Both of them are currently at 5th place, very exiting...
and still it is not clear which one is qualified at Top 5 )

For Standings:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1231

Note also this a fun tour, in such competitions everything can happen...
Some openings suffer due to they are not optimized for such testings...
Plus some of the opening books were not lucky...
That's why please don't take too seriously the results...

But however I should admit also,
Mostly of the SCCT Champions books lines seems to be really very very strong...
Also the same words is going for PlayChessTop5 book too
And I think this is not luck that they are one of the Top places !!

BTW,
Day by day the current tour is growing...and started to be more exiting

And I really wonder a lot,
We will see a book, which will be stronger than Champions2010 book ?)

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-23 20:11
Very soon,
Fire 4 engine will be tested again, but this time via Perfect 2015t book

For example,
Currently Fire 4 via Champion 2008 book is at around 3380 Elo

My guess is that,
Probably F4 + P2015t will be rated approx. 50 Elo stronger...

Soon the opening book influence will be clear...

Have fun,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-23 15:28
New Update:
AntiChampions (based on previous Champions books losses, also includes some killer move lines)
BooksWarTop5 (based on engine games played by Top 5 books of BooksWar competition)
Hiarcs14X (based on engine games played by Hiarcs 14 book series)

For Standings:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1231

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-24 12:36
After 142 games,
Fire 4 engine + Perfect 2015t book managed to increase its Elo points !!
Now is rated at 3443 Elo..not bad )!

For Standings:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1231

Once more I'd like to mention,
I've noticed many strong and also weak lines in the current competition
Sad that still some  people are interested in beauty than strength, why ??))
Even some of those critical weak lines are available in Perfect 2015 book too
But the most important question: in which book there are more or less weak lines ?)
However, I will do my best before final release...

And be sure of this,
I am spending many efforts and I am working very hard just for chess friends !

My main goal simply is that,
The chess engines should not be tested with disadvantage openings...
Its time to change our views...we should forget those weak openings
Otherwise, oftenly we will see a weaker engine to take a win or to draw over stronger engine )!

And without to not mention this I can't,
Perfect 2015t book is expecting to be one of the World's strongest books (up to 8 moves) !)

I was thinking to release Perfect 2015 book as present for new year, but still is not ready...
Still I am not satisfied... I need to check and optimize some of the lines
But you will not wait long time..soon...!)

Please keep in touch my website...it will appear there )!

Greetings,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-25 19:00
Last Update:
X3D Fritz + DFritz10.ctg

For Standings:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1231

Just I was wondering how will do X3D Fritz in the current book competition
And after 220 games, X3D Fritz's performance is too disappointing: 119 losses; 1 draw
It looks like X3D Fritz was not so lucky under current conditions, not sure why...

For example in November 2003,
X3D Fritz engine played a four game match against World's strongest human player Garry Kasparov
And the result was equal 2–2

Well...now is time to test another strong engine: Chess Tiger 2007 + Perfect 2015t
Note that one the older versions, Chess Tiger 14 participated in Mercosur Cup Argentina 2001 and won the tournament !
For example in Mercosur Cup, Chess Tiger 14's opponents were strong human chess players at around 2500 Elo
And Chess Tiger 14 performed with clear two points ahead of the best human and reached 2788 Elo points !!
Ok...and now what about Chess Tiger 2007 in SCCT CS IV ?) Can Chess Tiger 2007 reach again at around 2800 Elo ?)
Very soon it will be clear...

Btw sometimes I am in laughing...who rates Stockfish 5, Komodo 8, Houdini 4 as 3000-3200 Elo )))
Come on chess friends, if this is true in reality...
Then Top GMs as Kasparov, Kramnik, Anand, Carlsen... should be rated approx. 2500 Elo ))

I mean in shortly that,
Not only its time to change our views regarding used openings...
Also is time to change our views with the start Elo calculations !)
Just saying and hope helps...)!

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-12-27 15:37
Chess Tiger 2007.1 + P2015t book managed to get 2823 Elo:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1231

Note also that in my estimation,
Chess Tiger 2007.1's strength is similar as many Top GMs !)
Even I would be not much surprised, if CT2007.1 to be not stronger than many Top GMs )
Just imagine how much are stronger the current Top chess engines...

And those chess friends, who rates the current Top chess engines at around 3200 Elo,
Yes, that would be ok, if your used hardware is Pentium III )))

Otherwise, calculating the Top engines on latest fast hardwares at around 3200 Elo,
Sorry to say that but simply you are just in wrong way )!

Best,
Sedat
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