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Poll Who will win: Komodo or Stockfish ?
Komodo will win 3 33%
Stockfish will win 6 67%
- - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-11-07 10:26


Hello Chess Friends !

I am pleased to announce:
- Very soon I plan to organize a new duel: Komodo vs Stockfish !

Schedule
Komodo vs Stockfish's ChampionShip Match is planning to be started on 8th November 2014
Note that exactly on same date as World Chess Championship: Magnus Carlsen vs Vishy Anand
And I plan to prefer similar Rules and Regulations as Magnus Carlsen vs Vishy Anand match:
http://www.sochi2014.fide.com/

Match System
Komodo vs Stockfish Match 2014 will consist of 12 games and if necessary, tie-break games
And so whoever reaches 6.5 points or more will be crowned as SCCT Champion of 2014!

Time Control
The official time control for the current Komodo vs Stockfish match will be:
120 minutes for the first 40 moves, 60 minutes for the next 20 moves
From the 61st move, 15 minutes + 30 seconds per move for the rest of the game

In case the results are level after the twelve games, four tie-break games will be played
The games will be played with 25 minutes for each player with an increment of 10 seconds after each move
If the match is still drawn, a match of 2 games will be played with 5 min plus 3 sec increment per move

As opening book
Both top chess engines will be played with:
Perfect 2015's openings (reversed colors), but as far as possible with the strongest lines for both sides!

More Details
Both participants are planning to be played with/on:
Intel Core i7-980X 3.30GHz / Intel Core i7 970 3.20GHz
ChessBase (Fritz) GUI; Ponder ON with maximum cores (6 cores per game)
2048 MB Hashtable size, No Endgames; Hyper-Threading OFF; 64-bit versions; TD: Sedat Canbaz

More information coming soon !

Thanks for your interest and good luck to both chess engine teams !!

Best Regards,
Sedat Canbaz
Parent - By Benno Hartwig Date 2014-11-07 10:48

> Note that exactly on same date as World Chess Championship: Magnus Carlsen vs Vishy Anand
> And I plan to prefer similar Rules and Regulations as Magnus Carlsen vs Vishy Anand match...


Nice idea!
We'll see what happens, here and there.

Benno
Parent - - By Kurt Utzinger Date 2014-11-07 10:49
Hi Sedat
A fine match but of course too few games to make
any conclusion about strength of these two engines.
Greetings, Kurt
Parent - - By U. Haug Date 2014-11-07 10:57
Kurt Utzinger schrieb:

Hi Sedat
A fine match but of course too few games to make
any conclusion about strength of these two engines.
Greetings, Kurt


Are twelve games enough "to make any conclusion about strength" between Carlsen and Anand? 

Ulrich
Parent - By Kurt Utzinger Date 2014-11-07 12:04
U. Haug schrieb:


Are twelve games enough "to make any conclusion about strength" between Carlsen and Anand? 

Ulrich


Of course not enough and such a short match is somwhat absurd.
Kurt
Parent - By Peter Martan Date 2014-11-07 12:11 Edited 2014-11-07 12:14
A very good question, Ulrich.
The main difference to engine- games seems to me, that human masters know each other since quite a time and had much time to learn about mutual playing, especially as for the repertoire of openings.
Yet the outcome of such a match is always a snap-shot of a very special moment only too.
Parent - - By Benno Hartwig Date 2014-11-07 11:00
A sports event.
And like the winners of most human sports events the winner here only can say "In this event I reached the better results!"
Not more, but also not less.

The temporal and rule-based similarities to what happens in Sochi will give a a special hallo-moment, I think.
Surey TCEC will produce at least a somewhat more reliable result.
But on the other hand I think its fine, that Sedat playes with practice-orientated Ponder=ON. Also Anand and Carlsen are 'pondering'.
I'm gratefull for any reliable reported Komodo-Stockfish-Result at long times on strong hardware.

Benno
Parent - By Kurt Utzinger Date 2014-11-07 12:07
Benno Hartwig schrieb:

A sports event.
And like the winners of most human sports events the winner here only can say "In this event I reached the better results!"
Not more, but also not less.
[,,,]

Benno


You are right Benno.
Kurt
Parent - By Peter Martan Date 2014-11-07 12:12
Very fine idea, Sedat, thanks and best regards!
Parent - By Peter Brunnen Date 2014-11-07 18:47
High Sedat,
I highly appreciate your ponder on match.
We have seen enough poff matches.
I expect high quality games.
Simply ignore the 'not enough games' nonsens.

Keep up the good work.

Peter Brunnen
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-11-08 11:07
Hello There!

Latest News
The Championship Match is started at around 9AM Antalya Time!

Bear in mind,
Very soon I plan to publish the played games as PGN

BTW,
Here are the current positions on my both tournament computers

1st. game on i7 980X machine (currently running)
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2nd. game on i7 970 machine (currently running too)
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Have fun,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-11-09 01:10
Update
SCCT - ChampionShip Match's current standings:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1115
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-11-09 11:15
Update 2

Current standings after 9 games : Stockfish 051114 MP still leads!
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1115
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-11-09 09:27 Edited 2014-11-09 09:29


Just my 2 cents over the 1st game played recently in World Chess Championship match,

I was wondering also,
How will perform both top chess engines at 40/10, but especially with the same opening position, which is ended in a draw by Anand - Carlsen
So...even current used chess engines (with alternate colors) could not beat each other and both played games are ended as draws too !

And here are the talking games played at 40/10 by the top engines
Note: Anand - Carlsen's opening position after 8 moves

Event:
Ort:
Datum:

Weiss:
Schwarz:

Ergebnis
Board
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-11-09 09:31
[Event "Anand_Carlsen"]
[Site "SCCT"]
[Date "2014.11.09"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Komodo 1318"]
[Black "Stockfish 051114"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D85"]
[Opening "Grünfeld"]
[Time "08:55:24"]
[Variation "Modern Exchange, 7...O-O"]
[TimeControl "40/600:40/600:40/600"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "114"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. Bd2 Bg7 6. e4 Nxc3 7. Bxc3 O-O
8. Qd2 Nc6 9. d5 {+0.06/22 28} Ne5 {+0.07/22 16} 10. Be2 {+0.09/23 19} c6
{+0.07/22} 11. Nf3 {+0.11/24 38} Nxf3+ {+0.03/28 15} 12. Bxf3 {+0.10/23 3}
Bxc3 {+0.03/28 7} 13. bxc3 {+0.10/22 10} b6 {+0.11/25 48} 14. O-O {+0.16/24
67} Ba6 {+0.11/25} 15. Rfe1 {+0.18/22 20} Rc8 {+0.11/25 0} 16. h4 {+0.21/20
11} cxd5 {0.00/23 16} 17. exd5 {+0.18/19 0} e6 {0.00/26 13} 18. Qd4
{+0.08/20 24} exd5 {0.00/26 0} 19. h5 {+0.08/22 14} Rc4 {0.00/28 34} 20.
Qe5 {+0.07/21 12} Rc5 {0.00/28 0} 21. h6 {+0.22/25 18} f6 {0.00/28 0} 22.
Qd4 {+0.27/25 15} Bc4 {-0.09/33 83} 23. Re6 {+0.27/25 19} Rc7 {-0.09/33 0}
24. a4 {+0.29/24 15} Rcf7 {-0.14/31 65} 25. Rae1 {+0.29/24 0} f5 {-0.05/26
18} 26. a5 {+0.28/25 14} bxa5 {0.00/27 16} 27. Ra6 {+0.28/25 0} Qg5
{0.00/29 17} 28. Bxd5 {+0.34/24 1} Bxd5 {0.00/30 9} 29. Qxd5 {+0.41/23 9}
Qxh6 {0.00/30 2} 30. Rxa7 {+0.35/24 13} Qh4 {0.00/30 20} 31. Ree7 {+0.12/24
107} Qf6 {0.00/30 19} 32. Reb7 {+0.06/24 28} Kg7 {0.00/30 26} 33. Qxa5
{+0.08/25 4} Rxb7 {0.00/28 7} 34. Rxb7+ {+0.07/24 2} Rf7 {0.00/31 11} 35.
Rxf7+ {+0.09/24 2} Qxf7 {0.00/28 11} 36. g3 {+0.08/24 13} Kf6 {0.00/28 16}
37. Qb4 {+0.08/24 0} Qc7 {0.00/30 17} 38. c4 {+0.25/24 15} Ke6 {0.00/31 20}
39. Qb5 {+0.25/24 5} Qd6 {0.00/32 18} 40. c5 {+0.18/23 15} Qd1+ {0.00/35
33} 41. Kh2 {+0.06/27 1} Qd4 {0.00/34 16} 42. Qc6+ {+0.05/27 26} Ke7
{0.00/37 15} 43. Kg1 {0.00/28 29} Qd7 {0.00/33 15} 44. Qf3 {0.00/27 23} Qd4
{0.00/33 27} 45. Qa3 {0.00/27 12} Qd1+ {0.00/31 14} 46. Kh2 {0.00/27 6} Qd4
{0.00/32 7} 47. c6+ {-0.03/26 19} Ke6 {0.00/31 22} 48. Qc1 {-0.06/27 8}
Qxf2+ {0.00/31 4} 49. Kh3 {-0.06/29 17} f4 {0.00/31 0} 50. gxf4 {-0.06/30
37} Qf3+ {0.00/39 25} 51. Kh2 {-0.06/30 0} Qf2+ {0.00/41 20} 52. Kh1
{-0.06/33 29} Qb6 {0.00/31 13} 53. f5+ {-0.06/25 27} gxf5 {0.00/33 19} 54.
Qc4+ {-0.06/25 0} Kd6 {0.00/33 12} 55. Qd3+ {-0.06/28 9} Kxc6 {0.00/34 13}
56. Qxf5 {-0.06/28 4} Qb2 {0.00/36 8} 57. Qxh7 {0.00/18 14} Qb5 {0.00/41 13
User Adjudication} 1/2-1/2
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-11-09 12:21


Breaking News

Komodo is coming back !! (this time Stockfish is in BIG danger)
Note: The above starting opening position is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6
I expected Komodo to prefer to play to 3.Bb5 (instead to 3.Bc4)
But it seems by preferring 3.Bc4 brings the success to Komodo!)

So far (after 9 games ),
The current Championship Match has just one win (in favor for Stockfish)
Note: Stockfish won as Whites, the opening was B12: Caro-Kann, advance variation
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5. Be2 Nd7

For example,
It look likes after 10 games: there will be 2 wins and 8 draws

And hour by hour...
The Championship is going much more exiting and interesting!

BTW, It's too early for any estimations,
But probably there will be tie-break games )!

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-11-09 15:12
Latest News

SCCT ChampionShip Match 2014: the results are equal after 11 games !
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1115

And here is the 12th game's current position:
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Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-11-10 10:43
Dear Chess Friends,

SCCT (40/120) ChampionShip Match 2014 is over !

Stockfish won the match 6½–5½ after eleven of the twelve scheduled games,
And Stockfish 051114 MP is becoming the new SCCT Champion of 2014!

My BIG congratulations to Stockfish team !!

Also I'd like to congratulate Komodo team, a serious opponent for Stockfish!

SCCT ChampionShip Match 2014's Full Standings:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1115

See you till next event )!

Best Wishes,
Sedat
Parent - - By Benno Hartwig Date 2014-11-10 11:38

> Stockfish won the match 6½–5½ after eleven of the twelve scheduled games...


...and such a 6½–5½ after only 'eleven' games is really impressing, isn't it?
Benno
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-11-10 12:27
Benno Hartwig schrieb:

...and such a 6½–5½ after only 'eleven' games is really impressing, isn't it?
Benno


I have a new idea (project) for 2014 / 2015,
And soon you will have more chances to see more SCCT games at 40/120 by the top engines

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz Date 2014-11-10 12:22
BTW,
Here are the lost and won games, which are played in the current SCCT Championship Match 2014
So...I decided to check more carefully the played opening moves by the current both top engines
Note: The played moves (in the screenshots) belongs to the current participated engines (not to Perfect 2015 book)

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