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Up Topic Hauptforen / CSS-Forum / Bolton ca. 1850 #24
- - By Joachim Krzyzanowski Date 2008-12-06 18:18


kennt jemand ähnliche Langzüger, die älteren Ursprungs sind?
Parent - - By Joachim Krzyzanowski Date 2008-12-09 13:12
Engine:
Analysis by Stockfish 1.01 JA:

1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Nxe5 7.Qxh7 Bxd6 8.Kxg2 Bxb4
  +-  (3.92)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Nxe5
  +-  (3.92)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Nxe5 8.Qg7
  +-  (3.98)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Nxe5 8.Qg7 Ke6
  +-  (4.89)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Nxe5 8.Qg7 Ke6 9.h7 g1R
  +-  (4.82)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  23kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Bxe5+ 8.Kxg2 Bc3 9.Qg8 Bxb4
  +-  (5.19)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  39kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Nxe5 8.Qg7 Ng6+ 9.Kxg2 Bxb4 10.Kf3 a5
  +-  (5.50)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  79kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Nxe5 8.Qg7 Ng6+ 9.Kxg2 Be5 10.Qg8 Nh4+ 11.Kf2 Nf5
  +-  (5.66)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  151kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Nxe5 8.Qg7 Ng6+ 9.Kxg2 Be5 10.Qg8 Nh4+ 11.Kf2 Bd4+ 12.Ke2 Nf5
  +-  (5.78)   Depth: 10   00:00:01  298kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Bxe5+ 8.Kxg2 Kf8 9.Kf3 Bc3 10.Ke3 Ke7 11.Qg8 Bxb4
  +-  (5.88)   Depth: 11   00:00:01  657kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Bxe5+ 8.Kxg2 Bd6 9.Qg7 Bxb4 10.Kf3 a5 11.h7 Ke6 12.h8Q Nxh8 13.Qxh8 Kd5
  +-  (6.23)   Depth: 12   00:00:02  1263kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Bxe5+ 8.Kxg2 Kf8 9.Kf3 Bh8 10.Ke3 Be5 11.h4 Ke7 12.h5 Nf4 13.Qe4
  +-  (6.11)   Depth: 13   00:00:05  2677kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Bxe5+ 8.Kxg2 Kf8 9.Kf3 Bh8 10.Ke3 Bf6 11.h4 Nxh4 12.Qe4 Bg5+ 13.Kd4 Kg8 14.Qa8+ Kh7
  +-  (6.09)   Depth: 14   00:00:09  5102kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Bxe5+ 8.Kxg2 Kf8 9.Kf3 Bb2 10.Ke3 Ke7 11.h4 Bc1+ 12.Ke4 Ke6 13.Qg8 Bxh6 14.Qc8+ Ke7 15.Qb7+ Ke6
  +-  (6.43)   Depth: 15   00:00:15  9101kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Bxe5+ 8.Kxg2 Kf8 9.Kf3 Bb2 10.Ke3 Ke7 11.h4 Bc1+ 12.Ke4 Ke6 13.Qg8 Bxh6 14.Qc8+ Ke7 15.Qb7+ Ke6 16.Qxa6+ Ke7
  +-  (6.47)   Depth: 16   00:00:28  16687kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Bxe5+ 8.Kxg2 Kf8 9.Kf3 Bd4 10.Ke4 Bf6 11.Ke3 Bg5+ 12.Kd4 Bf6+ 13.Kc5 Bc3 14.h4 Bf6 15.h5 Nf4 16.Qe4
  +-  (6.09)   Depth: 17   00:01:03  35872kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.Nc6+ Ka8 3.Nd8+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Qc6+ Ka7 6.Qc5+ Ka8 7.Qd5+ Ka7 8.Qd4+ Ka8 9.Qe4+ Ka7 10.Qe3+ Ka8 11.Qf3+ Ka7 12.Qf2+ Ka8 13.Qxg2+ Ka7 14.Qf2+ Ka8 15.Qf3+ Ka7 16.Qe3+ Ka8
  +-  (#24)   Depth: 18   00:02:07  68386kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.Nc6+ Ka8 3.Nd8+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Qc6+ Ka7 6.Qc5+ Ka8 7.Qd5+ Ka7 8.Qd4+ Ka8 9.Qe4+ Ka7 10.Qe3+ Ka8 11.Qf3+ Ka7 12.Qf2+ Ka8 13.Qxg2+ Ka7 14.Qf2+ Ka8 15.Qf3+ Ka7 16.Qe3+ Ka8
  +-  (#24)   Depth: 19   00:02:45  89096kN
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.Nc6+ Ka8 3.Nd8+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Qc6+ Ka7 6.Qc5+ Ka8 7.Qd5+ Ka7 8.Qd4+ Ka8 9.Qe4+ Ka7 10.Qe3+ Ka8 11.Qf3+ Ka7 12.Qf2+ Ka8 13.Qxg2+ Ka7 14.Qf2+ Ka8 15.Qf3+ Ka7 16.Qe3+ Ka8
  +-  (#24)   Depth: 20   00:04:16  137mN
Parent - - By Michael Scheidl Date 2008-12-09 23:31
Stockfish 1.1(*) ist noch flotter: Folgendes ist nur von einem D945 (quasi Dual-P4) mit 2*3.4 GHz:

Analysis by Stockfish 1.1 JA:

1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.Nc6+ Ka8 3.Nd8+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Qc6+ Ka7 6.Qc5+ Ka8 7.Qd5+ Ka7 8.Qd4+ Ka8 9.Qe4+ Ka7 10.Qe3+ Ka8 11.Qf3+ Ka7 12.Qf2+ Ka8 13.Qxg2+ Ka7 14.Qf2+ Ka8 15.Qf3+ Ka7 16.Qe3+ Ka8
  +-  (3.92)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
  +-  (#24)   Depth: 18   00:00:51  60055kN

(Ich habe weniger Zeilen, da ich "scroll new moves only" vom Kontextmenü des Enginefensters eingeschaltet habe.)

*) Der Link auf der Jim Ablett-Seite scheint mittlerweile zur Version 1.1 zu führen; ich glaube unmittelbar nach Release wars noch 1.01. Ich habe den Downloadlink aus einem Talkchess-Posting entnommen gehabt.

Zum Vergleich Glaurung 2.1 (default):

Analysis by Glaurung 2.1 (JA):

1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Qf2+ Kc7 4.Qc5+ Kd8 5.Qxc8+ Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Bxe5+ 8.Kxg2 Kf8 9.Kf3 Bc3 10.Ke3 Ke7 11.Qg8 Bxb4 12.Qc8 Bd6 13.h7 Be5 14.Qxa6 Bh8 15.Ke4 Ne5 16.Kf5
  +-  (3.92)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
  +-  (7.19)   Depth: 19   00:02:58  188mN

Vielleicht ginge es schneller, wenn man Glaurungs mate threat extensions einschaltet, die per Default auf null sind. Habe ich jetzt nicht probiert. Bei Stockfish 1.1 sind die aber auch auf null.
Parent - By Joachim Krzyzanowski Date 2008-12-10 12:15
Hallo Michael,

ich habe nochmal Gas gegeben:

1 Kern, 3000 MHz, 64 MB Hash

Engine:
Analysis by Stockfish 1.01 JA:
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.Nc6+ Ka8 3.Nd8+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Qc6+ Ka7 6.Qc5+ Ka8 7.Qd5+ Ka7 8.Qd4+ Ka8 9.Qe4+ Ka7 10.Qe3+ Ka8 11.Qf3+ Ka7 12.Qf2+ Ka8 13.Qxg2+ Ka7 14.Qf2+ Ka8 15.Qf3+ Ka7 16.Qe3+ Ka8
  +-  (#24)   Depth: 15   00:00:36  19140kN
Engine:
Analysis by Stockfish 1.01 JA:
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.Nc6+ Ka8 3.Nd8+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Qc6+ Ka7 6.Qc5+ Ka8 7.Qd5+ Ka7 8.Qd4+ Ka8 9.Qe4+ Ka7 10.Qe3+ Ka8 11.Qf3+ Ka7 12.Qf2+ Ka8 13.Qxg2+ Ka7 14.Qf2+ Ka8 15.Qf3+ Ka7 16.Qe3+ Ka8
  +-  (#24)   Depth: 16   00:00:59  32625kN
Engine:
Analysis by Stockfish 1.01 JA:

1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.Nc6+ Ka8 3.Nd8+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Qc6+ Ka7 6.Qc5+ Ka8 7.Qd5+ Ka7 8.Qd4+ Ka8 9.Qe4+ Ka7 10.Qe3+ Ka8 11.Qf3+ Ka7 12.Qf2+ Ka8 13.Qxg2+ Ka7 14.Qf2+ Ka8 15.Qf3+ Ka7 16.Qe3+ Ka8
  +-  (#24)   Depth: 17   00:01:39  56718kN
Engine:
Analysis by Stockfish 1.01 JA:
1.Qf3+ Ka7 2.Nc6+ Ka8 3.Nd8+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Qc6+ Ka7 6.Qc5+ Ka8 7.Qd5+ Ka7 8.Qd4+ Ka8 9.Qe4+ Ka7 10.Qe3+ Ka8 11.Qf3+ Ka7 12.Qf2+ Ka8 13.Qxg2+ Ka7 14.Qf2+ Ka8 15.Qf3+ Ka7 16.Qe3+ Ka8
  +-  (#24)   Depth: 18   00:02:07  68386kN


Alles mit den Settings von Peter Martan, und weiteren Optimierungen von mir auf der selben Maschine.

Grüße

Joachim
Parent - - By Thomas Koehler Date 2008-12-09 19:37
Schön isse!

kbb3q1/5p1r/pp1N2nP/2P1N3/1P6/Q6P/6pK/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Rybka 1.01 Beta 13d 32-bitvsu:

1.Df3+
  +-  (6.24)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
1.Df3+ Ka7
  +-  (6.24)   Tiefe: 4   00:00:00
1.Df3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Df2+ Kc7 4.Dc5+ Kd8 5.Dxc8+ Ke7 6.Dxg8
  +-  (3.84)   Tiefe: 5   00:00:00
1.Df3+ Ka7 2.cxb6+ Kxb6 3.Df2+ Kc7 4.Dc5+ Kd8 5.Dxc8+ Ke7 6.Dxg8 Lxd6
  +-  (3.84)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:01  50kN
1.Df3+ Ka7 2.Sc6+ Ka8 3.Se7+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Dc6+ Ka7 6.Dc5+ Ka8 7.Dd5+ Ka7
  +-  (5.22)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:02  112kN
1.Df3+ Ka7 2.Sc6+ Ka8 3.Se7+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Dc6+ Ka7 6.Dc5+ Ka8 7.Dd5+ Ka7
  +-  (5.08)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:04  197kN
1.Df3+ Ka7 2.Sc6+ Ka8 3.Sa5+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Dc6+ Ka7 6.Dc5+ Ka8 7.Dd5+ Ka7
  +-  (4.72)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:07  440kN
1.Df3+ Ka7 2.Sc6+ Ka8 3.Sa5+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Dc6+ Ka7 6.Dc5+ Ka8 7.Dd5+ Ka7
  +-  (4.72)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:15  955kN
1.Df3+ Ka7 2.Sc6+ Ka8 3.Sd8+ Ka7 4.cxb6+ Kxb6 5.Dc6+ Ka7 6.Dc5+ Ka8 7.Dd5+ Ka7
  +-  (#24)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:27  1755kN, tb=3

(, Wilthen 09.12.2008)

Gruß thk
Parent - By Michael Bechmann Date 2008-12-10 02:03
Ich hab mal die Datenbank befragt, wie denn die Partie weitergegangen ist ("Stellung suchen"):

[Event "Chess Player's Chronicle"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1850.??.??"]
[Round "47"]
[White "Horatio Bolton"]
[Black "#24"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "kbb3q1/5p1r/pp1N2nP/2P1N3/1P6/Q6P/6pK/8 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "47"]
[EventDate "1850.??.??"]

{Chest Parameter: C2/R1/K2/P6/X18 (t<1s)} 1. Qf3+ Ka7 2. Nc6+ Ka8 3. Nd8+ Ka7
4. cxb6+ Kxb6 5. Qc6+ Ka7 6. Qc5+ Ka8 7. Qd5+ Ka7 8. Qd4+ Ka8 9. Qe4+ Ka7 10.
Qe3+ Ka8 11. Qf3+ Ka7 12. Qf2+ Ka8 13. Qxg2+ Ka7 14. Qf2+ Ka8 15. Qf3+ Ka7 16.
Qe3+ Ka8 17. Qe4+ Ka7 18. Qd4+ Ka8 19. Qd5+ Ka7 20. Qc5+ Ka8 21. Qxc8 f5 22.
Qxa6+ Ba7 23. Qc6+ Rb7 24. Qxb7# {Matt} 1-0
Parent - By Thomas Zerbe Date 2008-12-10 17:53
Rybka 3 auf 2x3.0GHz 1024MB Hash
das Warten auf eine Hauptvariante erspare ich mir 

[Mate in 24]  d=15  1.Qf3 (0:04.40)
[+6.12]  d=14  1.Qf3 (0:02.31)
[+5.82]  d=13  1.Qf3 (0:01.43)
[+5.87]  d=12  1.Qf3 (0:01.16)
[+5.57]  d=11  1.Qf3 (0:00.37)
[+5.56]  d=10  1.Qf3 (0:00.05)
[+5.45]  d=9  1.Qf3 (0:00.02)
[+5.45]  d=8  1.Qf3 (0:00.01)
[+5.39]  d=7  1.Qf3 (0:00.00)
[+5.37]  d=7  1.Qf3 (0:00.00)
[+5.17]  d=7  1.Qf3 (0:00.00)
[+4.97]  d=6  1.Qf3 Ka7 2.cxb6 Kxb6 3.Qe3 Kc7 4.Qc5 Kd8 5.Qxc8 Ke7 6.Qxg8 Bxd6 7.Qxh7 Bxe5 8.Kxg2 Bc3 9.Kf3 (0:00.00)
[+4.90]  d=6  1.Qf3 (0:00.00)
[+4.70]  d=6  1.Qf3 (0:00.00)
[+4.50]  d=5  1.Qf3 Ka7 2.cxb6 Kxb6 3.Qe3 (0:00.00)
[+4.50]  d=4  1.Qf3 Ka7 2.cxb6 Kxb6 3.Qe3 (0:00.00)
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