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- - By Anton Stadlhofer Date 2012-02-03 16:44
Hallo

[Event "ROM CF 80 Years email, Bg4"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Karacsony, Zsolt"]
[Black "Dobrei, Gheorge"]
[Result "1-0"]


1. g4!! dxe5 2. gxf5 Tf7 3. Dh5 Tg7 4. Lh6 Kh8 5. Lxg7+ Sxg7 6. Dh6 De8 7. Sh4 1-0

Wie lange brauchen eure Programme für diesen "best move"!?

Schönes Wochenende      Anton
Parent - - By Thomas Koehler Date 2012-02-03 22:06
Hallo Anton,

Der nach meinen Tests sehr erfolgreich frisierte Stocki wird nach 55s auf einem Kern fündig, sieht aber nach Anfangseuphorie in 3... Dd8 eine ausreichende Verteidigung.

Neue Partie
1rb1nrk1/1p1qp2p/p1np1p1Q/3NPp2/2P5/3B1N1P/P2B2P1/R6K w - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 2.2.2 JA 64bit5202czs2:

...
1.exf6 exf6 2.Te1 Se5 3.Sd4 Dg7 4.Dh4 Sg6 5.Dh5 Df7 6.Dh6 Sc7 7.Lxf5 Sxd5 8.cxd5 Lxf5 9.Sxf5 Kh8 10.Lb4 Tbd8 11.Te6 b6 12.Lxd6 Tfe8
  ³  (-0.36)   Tiefe: 23/40   00:00:41  43772kN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 a5 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 b6 6.Dg4
  =  (-0.20)   Tiefe: 23/40   00:00:55  58913kN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 b6 4.Lh6
  =  (-0.08)   Tiefe: 23/40   00:00:58  62111kN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 b5 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Dd8 6.Dg4 Df8 7.Sc7 Lb7 8.Le4 Sd4 9.Lxb7 Txb7 10.Se6 Sxf3 11.Dxf3 e4 12.Dxe4
  =  (0.10)   Tiefe: 23/40   00:01:04  68730kN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 b5 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 b4 6.Dg4
  ²  (0.37)   Tiefe: 23/40   00:01:10  75095kN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 b5 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 b4 6.Dg4
  ±  (0.78)   Tiefe: 23/40   00:01:25  91090kN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Tg7 4.Lh6 Dd8 5.Lxg7 Sxg7 6.Tg1 Df8 7.Dh6 Df7 8.Sc7 Kh8 9.Sh4 Lxf5 10.Sxf5 Sxf5 11.Lxf5 Tg8 12.Txg8+ Dxg8 13.Sd5 Sd4 14.Sxe7 Df7 15.Sg6+
  ²  (0.56)   Tiefe: 23/44   00:01:32  97755kN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sc7 Kh8 7.Txg7 Txg7 8.Se8 Df7 9.Lxg7+ Kg8 10.Dg4 Dxe8 11.Lh6+ Dg6 12.fxg6 Lxg4
  ²  (0.48)   Tiefe: 24/44   00:01:40  105mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sc7 Kh8 7.Txg7 Txg7 8.Se8 Df7 9.Lxg7+ Kg8 10.Dg4 Dxe8 11.Lh6+ Dg6 12.fxg6 Lxg4
  ²  (0.40)   Tiefe: 24/44   00:01:42  107mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sc7 Kh8 7.Txg7 Txg7 8.Se8 Df7 9.Lxg7+ Kg8 10.Dg4 Dxe8 11.Lh6+ Dg6 12.fxg6 Lxg4
  ²  (0.28)   Tiefe: 24/44   00:01:44  109mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sc7 e4 7.Lxe4 e5 8.Ld5
  ²  (0.64)   Tiefe: 24/44   00:01:47  112mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sc7 Kh8 7.Dg4 e6 8.Sxe6 Lxe6 9.fxe6 Tc7 10.Dh4 Dg8 11.Le4 Te8 12.Dxf6 Txe6 13.Dg5 Df8 14.Dh4 Sd4 15.Sxd4 exd4
  =  (0.10)   Tiefe: 24/49   00:01:51  116mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sc7 Kh8 7.Dg4 e6 8.Sxe6 Lxe6 9.fxe6 Tc7 10.Dh4 Dg8 11.Le4 Te8 12.Txg7 Txg7 13.Dxf6 Sd4 14.Sxe5 Sxe6 15.Lxg7+ Dxg7 16.Sf7+ Kg8
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 24/49   00:01:57  121mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sc7 Kh8 7.Dg4 e6 8.Sxe6 Lxe6 9.fxe6 Tc7 10.Dh4 Dg8 11.Lxh7 Dxh7 12.Dxf6 Kg8 13.Sg5 Dd3 14.Sf3 Dh7
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 25/49   00:02:19  141mN
...
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 27/49   00:03:18  198mN

(Köhler, Wilthen 03.02.2012)

Gruß und schönes WE
Parent - By Thomas Koehler Date 2012-02-04 10:05
Nach 270 mN (eigentlich MN) taucht dann auch 6. Sh4! auf mit wachsender Bewertung. Geduld ist halt eine Tugend...

249: Karacsony,Z - Dobrei,G, ROM CF 80 Years email (Stadlhofer)
1rb1nrk1/1p1qp2p/p1np1p1Q/3NPp2/2P5/3B1N1P/P2B2P1/R6K w - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 2.2.2 JA 64bit5202czs2:

1rb1nrk1/1p1qp2p/p1np1p1Q/3NPp2/2P5/3B1N1P/P2B2P1/R6K w - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 2.2.2 JA 64bit5202czs2:

...
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sc7 Kh8 7.Dg4 e6 8.Sxe6 Lxe6 9.fxe6 Tc7 10.Dh4 Dg8 11.Lxh7 Dxh7 12.Dxf6 Kg8 13.Sg5 Dd3 14.Sf3 Dh7
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 27/49   00:03:07  198mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sh4 Sd4 7.Le4 Kh8 8.Sg6+ hxg6 9.Lxg7+
  =  (0.08)   Tiefe: 28/49   00:04:15  270mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sh4 Sd4 7.Le4 b5 8.Sc7 bxc4 9.Se6 Sdxe6 10.fxe6 Lxe6 11.Sf5 Lxf5 12.Dxf5
  =  (0.16)   Tiefe: 28/49   00:04:26  281mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 b6 6.Le4 Lb7 7.Sxf6+ exf6 8.Ld5
  ²  (0.28)   Tiefe: 28/49   00:04:39  295mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 b6 6.Le4 Lb7 7.Sxf6+ exf6 8.Ld5
  ²  (0.46)   Tiefe: 28/49   00:04:54  312mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Ld7 5.Tg1+ Tg7 6.Lxg7 Sxg7 7.Sc7 Kh8 8.Dh6 Df8 9.Sh4 Kg8 10.Se6 Lxe6 11.fxe6
  ±  (0.73)   Tiefe: 28/49   00:05:14  334mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Ld7 5.Tg1+ Tg7 6.Lxg7 Sxg7 7.Sc7 Kh8 8.Dh6 Df8 9.Sh4 Kg8 10.Se6 Lxe6 11.fxe6
  ±  (1.14)   Tiefe: 28/59   00:05:52  375mN

(Köhler, Wilthen 04.02.2012)
Gruß
Parent - - By Peter Martan Date 2012-02-03 22:12
Hallo Anton!

Spark hat schnell die ersten 3 Züge, überschätzt aber 3...Dd8 und bleibt daher mit der Bewertung zu tief:

Neue Partie, Blitz:30'+15"
1rb1nrk1/1p1qp2p/p1np1p1Q/3NPp2/2P5/3B1N1P/P2B2P1/R6K w - - 0 1

Analysis by spark-1.0:

1.exf6 Sxf6
  -/+  (-0.85 !)   Tiefe: 6/8   00:00:00  58kN
...
1.g4 Sxe5
  =/+  (-0.43 !)   Tiefe: 17/37   00:00:12  371mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Ld7 5.Tg1+ Tg7 6.Lxg7 Sxg7 7.Dh6 Df8 8.Sb6 Td8 9.Le4 Le8 10.Sd5
  =/+  (-0.42)   Tiefe: 17/37   00:00:13  378mN
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sb6 Kh8 7.Dg4 a5 8.Le4 Sd4 9.Sxd4 exd4
  =/+  (-0.29)   Tiefe: 18/38   00:00:16  458mN
...
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sb6 Kh8 7.Dg4 a5 8.Tg2 Dg8 9.a3 Df8 10.Kg1 Kg8 11.Le4 Sd4 12.Sxd4 exd4 13.Sxc8 Txc8 14.Lxb7
  =  (-0.24)   Tiefe: 22/52   00:02:59  5052mN

Die Partie ist übrigens ins r4.ctg eingegangen.
Auch dir ein schönes WE!
Parent - By Peter Martan Date 2012-02-03 23:21
R4 Find Win

1rb1nrk1/1p1qp2p/p1np1p1Q/3NPp2/2P5/3B1N1P/P2B2P1/R6K w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Rybka 4.1 SSE42 x64:

1.e6 Dxe6 2.g4 Df7 3.gxf5 Sg7 4.Tg1 Kh8 5.Sh4 Lxf5 6.Lxf5 Sxf5 7.Sxf5 Tg8 8.Te1 Tbe8 9.De3 Se5 10.Sh6 Dg7 11.Te2 Sf3 12.Sf7+ Dxf7 13.Dxf3 Dg6 14.Te1 Tg7 15.Lc3 e5 16.c5
  =/+  (-0.51)  Tiefe: 16  6569kN

1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5 Tf7 3.Dh5 Dd8 4.Lh6 Sg7 5.Tg1 Df8 6.Sc7 Kh8 7.Txg7 Txg7 8.Se8 Df7 9.Lxg7+ Kg8 10.Dg4 Dxe8 11.Lh6+ Dg6[] 12.fxg6 Lxg4 13.gxh7+ Kh8 14.hxg4 Sb4 15.Lf5 Sxa2 16.g5
  =/+  (-0.40)   Tiefe: 16   00:00:10  9615kN
...
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5[] Tf7 3.Dh5[] Dd8 4.Lh6[] Sg7 5.Tg1[] Df8 6.Sh4 Ta8 7.Dg4 Ld7
  +/-  (0.82 !)   Tiefe: 22   00:04:07  188mN, tb=4
...
1.g4 dxe5 2.gxf5[] Tf7 3.Dh5[] Tg7 4.Lh6 Kh8 5.Lxg7+ Sxg7 6.Dh6 De8 7.Sh4 Df7 8.Tg1 Lxf5 9.Sxf5[] Sxf5 10.Lxf5[] Tg8 11.Txg8+ Kxg8 12.Lc8 Sd4 13.Lxb7 Sf5 14.Dd2 e6 15.Dg2+ Kf8 16.Sc3
  +/-  (0.96)   Tiefe: 23   00:09:21  456mN, tb=5
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