das schlimme ist doch, das wenn 2 sich streiten, und porzellan zerschlagen, die anderen die unbeteiligt daneben stehen und die 2 auch kennen, nix machen können.
die entscheidung rybka zu sperren war m.E. richtig.
aber ich verstehe auch cock de gorter.
was ich nun nicht verstehe ist, das man sich ueber das weitere vorgehen NICHT verständigt und
stattdessen öffentlich einen krieg entfacht.
als es damals hiess: die nächste WM wird in im Unrechtsregime in Jakarta stattfinden, also in einem Land wo hunderttausende umgebracht wurden, wo war denn da die moral und die Werte der schachprogrammierer. da sind alle einfach hingefahren. und es wurden vergleiche mit Hitler-Deutschland und Olympia angestellt.
Zitat:
The 14th World Microcomputer Chess Championship in Jakarta [5] was a disputed championship [6] . Due to Indonesia's actions in East Timor [7] and elsewhere, reigning World Microcomputer Champion Marty Hirsch with MChess didn't felt comfortable to come to Jakarta to defend his title [8] .
The de facto ban of the Junior team [9] [10] [11] was another main issue, which caused potential participants evince solidarity with the Junior team - to boycott the championship or withdrawal after already registered. For the one or the other honorable reason Richard Lang, Ed Schröder, Chris Whittington, Vincent Diepeveen, Walter Ravenek [12] and others did not participate with their programs. Other programmers voted for not mixing political issues with sports or were more or less conform with the ICCA point of view
damals hiess es von seiten der ICGA zum Thema Moral lediglich:
Zitat:
The ICCA felt obligated to fulfill the contract they made with the main sponsor and host, and claimed financial suicide to turn it down [16] .
man kann also durchaus in einem Unrechtsregime eine Computerschach-WM veranstalten.
wenn man ICGA heisst.
Zitat:
Chris Whittington
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Ed Schröder <100650.3...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
> From: df...@cse.ucsc.edu (Don Fong)
> Tony Marsland wrote:
> >To cut a
> >long story short we were unable to get any kind of an invitation for the
> >Israeli participants, let alone a warm welcome.
> :does anyone still disagree with my characterization of this
> :event as a sham?
> I am afraid Don is very right here.
> This is indeed unacceptable.
> - Ed Schroder -
The board of the ICCA also wrote:
> Tony Marsland: ICCA President
> David Levy: Vice President
> PS
> We did learn one political point from this event. It came as a surprise
> to us that participants from Russia and Israel would require personal
> visas. When we tried to secure a personal invitation for an Israeli
> team we were advised that Indonesia did not recognize Israel. To cut a
> long story short we were unable to get any kind of an invitation for the
> Israeli participants, let alone a warm welcome. We learned this more
> than a month after signing the contract.
> Since the contract did not contain any requirements regarding visas (we have
> never experienced this problem before) we had no legal basis for
> cancellation. In future we will always stipulate in the contract with
> the hosts that all qualified participants must be granted visas.
This situation is totally unacceptable and the tournament is now
wholly devalued.
We cannot allow the government of Indonesia to decide who will and
who won't be allowed to play in our tournament of the grounds of
their racist dislike of Jews/Israelis.
The time has come for all participating programmers to show
solidarity with the Israeli programming team and withdraw.
I have notified the ICCA that my application for Chess System Tal to
participate has been withdrawn. The ICCA have accepted the withdrawal.
You will note the last para of the ICCA board's comments. It is
a clear hint that they would have cancelled on these grounds alone
if the contract had allowed it.
It is a clear hint from the ICCA board to all participants to
withdraw now.
Chris Whittington
in this context a nice statement by ed schroeder:
Zitat:
2. Ed Schröder
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Bob,
To me you already decided to participate in Jakarta and nothing
will change your mind.
Remains the question, why don't you just say so?
To me the letter of Tony Marsland (which I personally know and have a high
opinion about) and the statement of the Junior team was pretty convincing
or am I mistaken?
Suppose "Cock de Gorter" (sorry Cock) would remove all USA participants
from AEGON 1997, you would expect from us that we should boycott AEGON
1997 right? (and we will!)
So does Junior expect from us to boycott Jakarta.
We can't protect the poor Indonesians, this is for Amnesty.
But (IMO) we have the duty to protect our own programmer friends.
Right or wrong?
- Ed Schroder -
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... oder es findet gar nicht mehr statt - im schlimmsten Fall. Wie es aussieht hat die CVSN praktisch freiwillig ihren eigenen Laden geschlossen.
Und zwar einen, der jetzt aus der Richtung von recht großen Kalibern und Urgesteinen des Computerschachs (Ed Schröder & Cock de Gorter) weht. Deren Meinung zählt halt doch mehr als die irgendwelcher gesichtsloser Fans oder Kunden.
0.85g3 with only 3 values changed in the entire code. Espin was duly barred from entering the tournament and will not be permitted to take part in ICGA events in the future."
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