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- - By Anton Stadlhofer Date 2011-03-04 17:22
Hallo

[Event "Studie, Dxc3"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1991.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Petrak, Robert"]
[Black "_"]
[Result "1-0"]


1. Dxc3!! 1-0

Wie lange brauchen eure Schachprogramme für diesen gewinnbringenden Damenzug?

Schönes Wochenende     Anton
Parent - - By Peter Martan Date 2011-03-04 17:45
Hallo Anton!

Neue Partie
8/8/4k2p/p3p1pP/Pp1pPpP1/1PpP1P2/2P1K3/4Q3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 2.0 JA 64bit:

1.Df1 Ke7 2.Dd1 Kd6 3.Db1 Ke6
  +-  (13.09)   Tiefe: 6/6   00:00:01  1kN
...
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kf6 3.b4 Ke6 4.bxa5 Kd6 5.a6 Kc6 6.a7 Kb7 7.Kc1 Kxa7 8.Kb1 Kb6 9.Ka2 Kb7 10.Ka3 Kc6 11.Kb4 Kb7 12.a5 Ka6 13.Ka4 Kb7 14.Kb3 Ka6 15.Kb4 Kb7 16.Kc4 Kc6 17.a6 Kb6 18.Kd5 Kxa6 19.Kxe5 Kb6 20.Kxd4 Kc6 21.e5 Kd7 22.Kd5 Kc7 23.e6 Kd8 24.Kd6 Ke8 25.e7 Kf7 26.Kd7
  +-  (13.17 !)   Tiefe: 48/51   00:00:38  414mN
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kf6 3.b4 Ke6 4.bxa5 Kd6 5.a6 Kc6 6.a7 Kb7 7.Kc1 Kxa7 8.Kb1 Kb6 9.Ka2 Kb7 10.Ka3 Kc6 11.Kb4 Kb7 12.a5 Ka6 13.Ka4 Kb7 14.Kb3 Ka6 15.Kb4 Kb7 16.Kc4 Kc6 17.a6 Kb6 18.Kd5 Kxa6 19.Kxe5 Kb6 20.Kxd4 Kc6 21.e5 Kd7 22.Kd5 Kc7 23.e6 Kd8 24.Kd6 Ke8 25.e7 Kf7 26.Kd7
  +-  (13.41 !)   Tiefe: 48/51   00:00:39  416mN
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kf6 3.b4 Ke6 4.bxa5 Kd6 5.a6 Kc6 6.a7 Kb7 7.Kc1 Kxa7 8.Kb1 Kb6 9.Ka2 Kb7 10.Ka3 Kc6 11.Kb4 Kb7 12.a5 Ka6 13.Ka4 Kb7 14.Kb3 Ka6 15.Kb4 Kb7 16.Kc4 Kc6 17.a6 Kb6 18.Kd5 Kxa6 19.Kxe5 Kb6 20.Kxd4 Kc6 21.e5 Kd7 22.Kd5 Kc7 23.e6 Kd8 24.Kd6 Ke8 25.e7 Kf7 26.d4 Ke8 27.d5 Kf7 28.Kd7
  +-  (13.89 !)   Tiefe: 48/55   00:00:43  487mN
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kf6 3.b4 Ke6 4.bxa5 Kd6 5.a6 Kc6 6.a7 Kb7 7.Kc1 Kxa7 8.Kb1 Kb6 9.Ka2 Kb7 10.Ka3 Kc6 11.Kb4 Kb7 12.a5 Ka6 13.Ka4 Kb7 14.Kb3 Ka6 15.Kb4 Kb7 16.Kc4 Kc6 17.a6 Kb6 18.Kd5 Kxa6 19.Kxe5 Kb6 20.Kxd4 Kc6 21.e5 Kd7 22.Kd5 Kc7 23.e6 Kd8 24.Kd6 Ke8 25.e7 Kf7 26.d4 Ke8 27.d5 Kf7 28.Kd7
  +-  (14.86 !)   Tiefe: 48/55   00:00:45  503mN
...
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kf6 3.b4 Ke6 4.bxa5 Kd6 5.a6 Kc6 6.a7 Kb7 7.Kc1 Kxa7 8.Kb1 Kb6 9.Ka2 Kb7 10.Ka3 Kc6 11.Kb4 Kb6 12.a5+ Ka6 13.Ka4 Ka7 14.Kb5 Kb7 15.a6+ Ka7 16.Ka5 Kb8 17.Kb4 Ka8 18.Kc4 Kb8 19.Kd5 Ka7 20.Kxe5 Kb8 21.Kxd4 Ka7 22.e5 Kb8 23.a7+ Ka8 24.e6 Kb7 25.a8D+ Kb6 26.e7 Kb5 27.e8D+ Kb4 28.Daa4#
  +-  (74.98 !)   Tiefe: 48/73   00:00:59  701mN

Auch dir ein schönes Wochenende!
Parent - - By Peter Martan Date 2011-03-04 18:20
Absolut unschlagbar wohl Shredder hier, gleich auf single core reproduziert, 3GHz, 128Mb hash (nachdem ich schon wusste, dass es gleich funktionieren wird, wollt ich ihn nicht unnötig belasten ).

8/8/4k2p/p3p1pP/Pp1pPpP1/1PpP1P2/2P1K3/4Q3 w - -

Engine: Deep Shredder 12 UCIP0 (128 MB)
von Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

25/42  0:01   +4.62    1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd6 3.Kc1 Ke6
                       4.Kb1 Kd7 5.Ka2 Kc6 6.Ka3 Kb6 7.b4 Ka6
                       8.bxa5 Kxa5 9.Kb3 Ka6 10.Kb4 (1.874.402) 1275

26/42  0:01   +4.62    1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd6 3.Kc1 Ke6
                       4.Kb1 Kd7 5.Ka2 Kc6 6.Ka3 Kb6 7.b4 Ka6
                       8.bxa5 Kxa5 9.Kb3 Ka6 10.Kb4 (2.228.717) 1262

...

33/58  0:19   +8.24    1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd6 3.Kc1 Ke6
                       4.Kb1 Kd7 5.Ka2 Kc6 6.Ka3 Kb6 7.b4 Ka6
                       8.Kb3 axb4 9.Kxb4 Kb6 10.a5+ Ka6
                       11.Ka4 Kb7 12.Kb5 (25.755.065) 1323

34/62  0:28   +9.47    1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd6 3.Kc1 Ke6
                       4.Kb1 Kd7 5.Ka2 Kc6 6.Ka3 Kb6 7.b4 Ka6
                       8.Kb3 axb4 9.Kxb4 Kb6 10.a5+ Ka6
                       11.Ka4 Kb7 12.Kb5 Ka7 13.Kc5 Ka6 (36.497.637) 1302

Ferner noch auf Quad:

Neue Partie
8/8/4k2p/p3p1pP/Pp1pPpP1/1PpP1P2/2P1K3/4Q3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Fritz 10:

1.Df2 Ke7 2.Kf1 Kd7 3.Dg2 Ke7 4.Ke2 Ke8 5.Dh3
  +-  (3.29)   Tiefe: 9/11   00:00:00  19kN
...
1.Dxc3
  +-  (2.53)   Tiefe: 20/96   00:00:58  591mN
1.Dxc3
  +-  (2.69)   Tiefe: 20/96   00:00:58  591mN
...
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd6 3.Kc1 Kc5 4.Kb1 Kd6 5.Ka2 Kc5 6.Ka3 Kc6 7.b4 Kb6 8.bxa5+ Kxa5 9.Kb3 Kb6 10.Kb4 Kc6 11.a5 Kd6 12.Kb5 Kd7 13.Kc5
  +-  (8.04)   Tiefe: 23/68   00:01:02  615mN
1.Dxc3
  +-  (8.32)   Tiefe: 24/41   00:01:17  753mN
...
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd6 3.Kc1 Kc5 4.Kb1 Kd6 5.Ka2 Kc5 6.Ka3 Kb6 7.b4 Ka6 8.bxa5 Kxa5 9.Kb3 Kb6 10.Kb4
  +-  (9.71)   Tiefe: 27/49   00:02:33  1231mN

Und auf 12core:

Neue Partie, Blitz:1'+1" Dort
8/8/4k2p/p3p1pP/Pp1pPpP1/1PpP1P2/2P1K3/4Q3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Spike 1.4P0:

1.Dg1 Kd6 2.Dh1 Kc5 3.Df1 Kd6 4.Df2 Kc5 5.Df1
  +-  (9.54)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  2kN
...
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd7 3.Kc1 Kd6 4.Kb1 Kc5 5.Ka1 Kd6 6.Ka2 Kc6 7.Ka3 Kc5 8.b4+ axb4+ 9.Kb3 Kd6 10.Kxb4 Kc6 11.a5 Kb7 12.Kb5 Kb8 13.Kb6 Kc8 14.a6 Kb8 15.Kc5 Kc7 16.Kb5 Kc8 17.Kc5 Kb8 18.Kb6 Ka8 19.Kc5 Kb8
  +-  (9.57 !)   Tiefe: 44   00:01:49  1617mN, tb=395
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd7 3.Kc1 Kd6 4.Kb1 Kc5 5.Ka1 Kd6 6.Ka2 Kc6 7.Ka3 Kc5 8.b4+ axb4+ 9.Kb3 Kd6 10.Kxb4 Kc6 11.a5 Kb7 12.Kb5 Kb8 13.Kb6 Kc8 14.a6 Kb8 15.Kc5 Kc7 16.Kb5 Kc8 17.Kc5 Kb8 18.Kb6 Ka8 19.Kc5 Kb8
  +-  (9.73 !)   Tiefe: 44   00:02:22  2317mN, tb=398
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd7 3.Kc1 Kd6 4.Kb1 Kc5 5.Ka1 Kd6 6.Ka2 Kc6 7.Ka3 Kc5 8.b4+ axb4+ 9.Kb3 Kd6 10.Kxb4 Kc6 11.a5 Kb7 12.Kb5 Kb8 13.Kb6 Kc8 14.a6 Kb8 15.Kc5 Kc7 16.a7 Kb7 17.a8D+ Kxa8 18.Kd6 Ka7 19.Kxe5 Ka6 20.Kf6 Ka5 21.e5 Kb4 22.e6 Ka3 23.e7 Kb2 24.e8D Kxc2 25.De2+ Kb3 26.Kg6 c2 27.Dd2
  +-  (10.05 !)   Tiefe: 44   00:04:22  4929mN, tb=404
Parent - By Christoph Axmann Date 2011-03-04 19:53
Zitat:
Absolut unschlagbar wohl Shredder hier ...


Ich meine, einmal gelesen zu haben, daß Shredder auf solche Blockade-Stellungen getrimmt wurde, um es als Verkaufsargument benutzen zu  können.
Parent - By Peter Martan Date 2011-03-04 19:31
Zappa kann's natürlich auch.

8/8/4k2p/p3p1pP/Pp1pPpP1/1PpP1P2/2P1K3/4Q3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Zappa Mexico II:

1.Df1 Kd6 2.Kf2 Kc5 3.Da1 Kd6 4.Dd1 Kc6 5.Kg2 Kd6 6.Kf2
  +-  (6.79)   Tiefe: 20/57   00:00:01  2301kN
...
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd6 3.Kc1 Kc5 4.Kb1 Kd6 5.Ka2 Kc5 6.Ka3 Kb6 7.b4 Kb7 8.bxa5 Kc7 9.Kb4 Kd6 10.a6 Ke7 11.a7 Kd7 12.a8D Ke6
  +-  (7.07)   Tiefe: 27/72   00:00:25  68379kN
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd6 3.Kc1 Kc5 4.Kb1 Kd6 5.Ka2 Kc5 6.Ka3 Kb6 7.b4 Kb7 8.bxa5 Kc7 9.Kb4 Kd6 10.a6 Ke7 11.a7 Kd7 12.a8D Ke6
  +-  (7.07)   Tiefe: 27/72   00:00:26  69510kN
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd6 3.Kc1 Kc5 4.Kb1 Kd6 5.Ka2 Kc5 6.Ka3 Kb6 7.b4 Kb7 8.bxa5 Ka7 9.Kb3 Kb7 10.Kc4 Kc6 11.a6 Kd6 12.a7 Kc6 13.a8D+ Kc7
  +-  (7.31)   Tiefe: 28/72   00:00:45  99570kN

Movei braucht ein Weilchen, kann aber halt auch nur mit einem Kern, desgleichen Gull 1.2, der eine Viertelstunde an der Berechnung von Dxc3 hängen blieb, wäre wahrscheinlich auch irgendwann draufgekommen, wurde aber vorher unterbrochen, Yace hab ich auch nach ungefähr dieser Zeit abgedreht, der zeigte da noch keine Ansätze.

Analysis by Movei00_8_438:

1.Da1 Kd6 2.Dd1 Kd7 3.Dc1
  +-  (10.05)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  2kN
..
1.Dxc3
  +-  (10.03)   Tiefe: 34   00:31:21  2018mN
1.Dxc3 bxc3 2.Kd1 Kd6 3.Kc1 Ke6 4.Kb1 Kd6 5.Ka2 Kc7 6.Ka3 Kc6
  +-  (10.03)   Tiefe: 34   00:37:15  2018mN
Parent - By paul aner Date 2011-03-08 13:49
Engine:


Deep Rybka 4 w32:

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  38  06:38   147.978.972  371.586  +9,71  De1f1 Ke6d6 Df1d1 Kd6c5 Ke2f1 Kc5d6 Kf1g2 Kd6c5 Dd1e2 Kc5d6 Kg2f2 Kd6e6 De2f1 Ke6d6 Df1d1 Kd6e6 Kf2g1 Ke6d6 Kg1g2 Kd6c5 Dd1e2 Kc5d6 Kg2f2 Kd6e6 De2f1 Ke6d6 Df1d1 Kd6e6 Kf2g1 Ke6d6 Kg1g2
  38  06:38   147.907.521  371.552  +9,71  De1g1 Ke6d6 Ke2f1 Kd6c5 Dg1g2 Kc5d6 Dg2h1 Kd6e6 Kf1g2 Ke6d6 Kg2h3 Kd6e6 Dh1d1 Ke6d6 Dd1a1 Kd6e6 Kh3h2 Ke6d6 Da1d1 Kd6e6 Dd1f1 Ke6d6 Df1h1 Kd6e6 Dh1d1 Ke6d6 Kh2g2 Kd6d7 Kg2f2 Kd7e6 Kf2g2
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  39  13:08   298.476.536  378.851  +9,71  De1f1 Ke6d6 Ke2e1 Kd6c5 Df1g2 Kc5c6 Ke1f2 Kc6c5 Dg2h1 Kc5d6 Kf2e2 Kd6e6 Ke2f1 Ke6d6 Dh1g2 Kd6e6 Dg2e2 Ke6d6 Kf1f2 Kd6e6 De2f1 Ke6d6 Df1d1 Kd6e6 Kf2g2 Ke6d7 Kg2f2 Kd7e6 Kf2g2 Ke6d7 Kg2f2
  39  13:08   297.943.976  379.017  +9,71  De1g1 Ke6d6 Dg1g2 Kd6c5 Ke2f2 Kc5d6 Dg2h3 Kd6e6 Dh3h1 Ke6d6 Kf2e2 Kd6e6 Ke2f1 Ke6d6 Dh1g2 Kd6e6 Dg2e2 Ke6d6 Kf1f2 Kd6e6 De2f1 Ke6d6 Df1d1 Kd6e6 Kf2g2 Ke6d7 Kg2f2 Kd7e6 Kf2g2 Ke6d7 Kg2f2



Engine:


Deep Rybka 4.1 w32:

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  35  01:41    35.950.880  356.330  +9,84  De1d1 Ke6d6 Dd1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1 Kd6e6 Da1d1 Ke6d6 Dd1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1 Kd6e6 Da1d1 Ke6d6 Dd1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1 Kd6e6 Da1d1 Ke6d6 Dd1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1
  35  01:41    35.950.551  356.327  +9,84  De1g1 Ke6d6 Dg1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1 Kd6e6 Da1d1 Ke6d6 Dd1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1 Kd6e6 Da1d1 Ke6d6 Dd1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1 Kd6e6 Da1d1 Ke6d6 Dd1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1
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  36  19:13    38.792.113  357.629  +9,84  De1g1 Ke6d6 Dg1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1 Kd6e6 Da1d1 Ke6d6 Dd1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1 Kd6e6 Da1d1 Ke6d6 Dd1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1 Kd6e6 Da1d1 Ke6d6 Dd1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1
36  19:13   477.804.596  414.221  +M27  De1xc3 b4xc3 Ke2d1 Ke6d6 Kd1c1 Kd6c5 Kc1b1 Kc5d6 Kb1a2 Kd6c5 Ka2a3 Kc5c6 b3b4 a5xb4+ Ka3xb4 Kc6b6 a4a5+ Kb6a6 Kb4a4 Ka6b7 Ka4b5 Kb7b8 Kb5c6 Kb8a7 Kc6d5 Ka7a6 Kd5xe5 Ka6xa5 Ke5xd4 Ka5b4 e4e5
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  37  37:26   880.541.798  391.947  +9,84  De1g1 Ke6d6 Dg1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1f1 Ke6d6 Df1a1 Kd6c5 Ke2d1 Kc5d6 Da1c1 Kd6e6 Dc1b1 Ke6d6 Kd1c1 Kd6c5 Db1a2 Kc5d6 Kc1b1 Kd6c5 Kb1a1 Kc5d6 Da2b1 Kd6c5 Ka1a2 Kc5d6 Db1h1 Kd6e6 Dh1g2 Ke6d6 Dg2f2
  37  37:26   840.796.866  390.735  +M27  De1xc3 b4xc3 Ke2d1 Ke6d6 Kd1c1 Kd6c5 Kc1b1 Kc5d6 Kb1a2 Kd6c5 Ka2a3 Kc5c6 b3b4 a5xb4+ Ka3xb4 Kc6b6 a4a5+ Kb6a6 Kb4a4 Ka6b7 Ka4b5 Kb7b8 Kb5c6 Kb8a7 Kc6d5 Ka7a6 Kd5xe5 Ka6xa5 Ke5xd4 Ka5b4 e4e5

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