Harte Nuß!

By ernst happe Date 2010-10-09 09:33

Engine:

nicht lange!

Houdini 1.03a w32 4_CPU:
  4/14    00:00           6.507    0    +0,24    Df5xg5+ Kg7f7 h5h6 Dd1e2+ Ke5xd4 De2e4+ Kd4c5
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  5/18    00:00           9.950    0    +0,25    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6xg5+ Kg8f7 h5h6 Dd1e2+ Ke5xd4 De2c4+ Kd4e5 Dc4c7+ Ke5f5 Dc7c2+ Kf5g4 Dc2e4+ Kg4h5
  5/18    00:00           9.950    0    +0,25    Df5xg5+ Kg7f7 h5h6 Dd1e2+ Ke5xd4 De2c4+ Kd4e5 Dc4c7+ Ke5f5 Dc7c2+ Kf5g4 Dc2e4+ Kg4h5
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  6/22    00:00          23.978    705.000    +0,38    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6xg5+ Kg8f7 Dg5g6+ Kf7f8 h5h6 d4d3 h6h7 Dd1e2+ Ke5xd5 De2a2+ Kd5c5 Da2f2+ Kc5c4
  6/22    00:00          23.978    705.000    +0,38    Df5xg5+ Kg7f7 Dg5g6+ Kf7f8 h5h6 d4d3 h6h7 Dd1e2+ Ke5xd5 De2a2+ Kd5c5 Da2f2+ Kc5c4
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  7/22    00:00          30.035    652.000    +0,39    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6xg5+ Kg8f7 Dg5g6+ Kf7e7 h5h6 d4d3 h6h7 Dd1a1+ Ke5xd5 Da1a2+ Kd5c5 Da2f2+ Kc5c4
  7/22    00:00          30.035    652.000    +0,39    Df5xg5+ Kg7f7 Dg5g6+ Kf7e7 h5h6 d4d3 h6h7 Dd1a1+ Ke5xd5 Da1a2+ Kd5c5 Da2f2+ Kc5c4
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  8/24    00:00          54.245    935.000    +0,47    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6xg5+ Kg8f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8e8 Df6g6+ Ke8d7 h5h6 d4d3 Dg6e6+ Kd7c7 h6h7 Dd1a1+ Ke5xd5 d3d2 De6e7+ Kc7c8
  8/24    00:00          54.245    935.000    +0,47    Df5xg5+ Kg7f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8e8 Df6g6+ Ke8d7 h5h6 d4d3 Dg6e6+ Kd7c7 h6h7 Dd1a1+ Ke5xd5 d3d2 De6e7+ Kc7c8
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  9/27    00:00          79.501    1.169.000    +0,36    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6xg5+ Kg8f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8g8 Df6g6+ Kg8h8 h5h6 Dd1e2+ Ke5xd5 De2b5+ Kd5xd4 Db5e5+ Kd4d3 De5d4+ Kd3e2
  9/27    00:00          79.501    1.169.000    +0,41    Df5xg5+ Kg7f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8g8 Df6g6+ Kg8h8 h5h6 Dd1e2+ Ke5xd5 De2b5+ Kd5xd4 Db5e5+ Kd4d3 De5d4+ Kd3e2
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 10/30    00:00         217.676    1.798.000    +0,32    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6xg5+ Kg8f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8e8 Df6g6+ Ke8f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6e6+ Ke8f8 De6f5+ Kf8e8 Ke5f6 Dd1c1 Df5e5+ Ke8d7 De5xd5+ Kd7c8 Dd5e6+ Kc8b8
 10/30    00:00         217.676    1.798.000    +0,32    Df5xg5+ Kg7f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8e8 Df6g6+ Ke8f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6e6+ Ke8f8 De6f5+ Kf8e8 Ke5f6 Dd1c1 Df5e5+ Ke8d7 De5xd5+ Kd7c8 Dd5e6+ Kc8b8
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 11/30    00:01         236.686    1.863.000    +0,32    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6xg5+ Kg8f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8e8 Df6g6+ Ke8f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6e6+ Ke8f8 De6f5+ Kf8e8 Ke5f6 Dd1c1 Df5e5+ Ke8d7 De5xd5+ Kd7c8 Dd5e6+ Kc8b8
 11/30    00:01         236.686    1.863.000    +0,32    Df5xg5+ Kg7f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8e8 Df6g6+ Ke8f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6e6+ Ke8f8 De6f5+ Kf8e8 Ke5f6 Dd1c1 Df5e5+ Ke8d7 De5xd5+ Kd7c8 Dd5e6+ Kc8b8
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 12/30    00:01         320.583    2.055.000    +0,32    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6xg5+ Kg8f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8e8 Df6g6+ Ke8f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6e6+ Ke8f8 De6f5+ Kf8e8 Ke5f6 Dd1c1 Df5e5+ Ke8d7 De5xd5+ Kd7c8 Dd5e6+ Kc8b8
 12/30    00:01         320.583    2.055.000    +0,32    Df5xg5+ Kg7f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8e8 Df6g6+ Ke8f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6e6+ Ke8f8 De6f5+ Kf8e8 Ke5f6 Dd1c1 Df5e5+ Ke8d7 De5xd5+ Kd7c8 Dd5e6+ Kc8b8
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 13/30    00:01         554.389    1.645.000    +0,32    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6xg5+ Kg8f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8e8 Df6g6+ Ke8f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6h8+ Ke8f7 Dh8h7+ Kf7f8 Dh7f5+ Kf8e8 Ke5f6 Dd1c1 Df5e5+ Ke8d7 De5xd5+ Kd7c8 Dd5e6+ Kc8b8 Kf6f5 Dc1b1+ Kf5f4 d4d3
 13/30    00:01         554.389    1.645.000    +0,32    Df5xg5+ Kg7f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8e8 Df6g6+ Ke8f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6h8+ Ke8f7 Dh8h7+ Kf7f8 Dh7f5+ Kf8e8 Ke5f6 Dd1c1 Df5e5+ Ke8d7 De5xd5+ Kd7c8 Dd5e6+ Kc8b8 Kf6f5 Dc1b1+ Kf5f4 d4d3
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 14/34    00:01       1.012.416    2.163.000    +0,32    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6xg5+ Kg8f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8e8 Df6c6+ Ke8f8 Dc6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6h8+ Ke8f7 Dh8h7+ Kf7f8 Dh7f5+ Kf8e7 Df5e6+ Ke7f8 De6d6+ Kf8g8 Dd6g6+ Kg8f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8
 14/34    00:01       1.012.416    2.163.000    +0,32    Df5xg5+ Kg7f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8e8 Df6c6+ Ke8f8 Dc6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6h8+ Ke8f7 Dh8h7+ Kf7f8 Dh7f5+ Kf8e7 Df5e6+ Ke7f8 De6d6+ Kf8g8 Dd6g6+ Kg8f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8
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 15/47    00:02       7.797.956    3.881.000    +0,11    Df5g6+ Kg7f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6h8+ Ke8d7 Dh8h7+ Kd7c6 Dh7g6+ Kc6b5 h5h6 d4d3 Dg6e8+ Kb5b4 De8b8+ Kb4c4 Db8c7+ Kc4b3 Dc7b6+ Kb3c2 Db6c5+ Kc2d2 h6h7 Dd1e1+ Ke5f6 De1a1+ Kf6f5
 15/47    00:02       7.797.956    3.881.000    +0,15    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6h8+ Ke8d7 Dh8h7+ Kd7c6 Dh7g6+ Kc6b5 h5h6 d4d3 Dg6e8+ Kb5b4 De8b8+ Kb4c4 Db8c7+ Kc4b3 Dc7b6+ Kb3c2 Db6c5+ Kc2d2 h6h7 Dd1e1+ Ke5f6 De1a1+ Kf6f5
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 16/47    00:02       8.390.948    3.845.000    +0,11    Df5g6+ Kg7f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6h8+ Ke8d7 Dh8g7+ Kd7c6 Dg7g6+ Kc6b5 h5h6 d4d3 Dg6e8+ Kb5b4 De8b8+ Kb4c4 Db8c7+ Kc4b3 Dc7b6+ Kb3c2 Db6c5+ Kc2d2 h6h7 Dd1e1+ Ke5f6 De1a1+ Kf6f5
 16/47    00:02       8.390.948    3.845.000    +0,11    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6h8+ Ke8d7 Dh8g7+ Kd7c6 Dg7g6+ Kc6b5 h5h6 d4d3 Dg6e8+ Kb5b4 De8b8+ Kb4c4 Db8c7+ Kc4b3 Dc7b6+ Kb3c2 Db6c5+ Kc2d2 h6h7 Dd1e1+ Ke5f6 De1a1+ Kf6f5
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 17/47    00:02       9.294.238    3.843.000    +0,11    Df5g6+ Kg7f8 Dg6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6h8+ Ke8d7 Dh8g7+ Kd7c6 Dg7g6+ Kc6b5 h5h6 d4d3 Dg6e8+ Kb5b4 De8b8+ Kb4c4 Db8c7+ Kc4b3 Dc7b6+ Kb3c2 Db6c5+ Kc2d2 h6h7 Dd1e1+ Ke5f6 De1a1+ Kf6f5
 17/47    00:02       9.294.238    3.843.000    +0,11    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6h8+ Ke8d7 Dh8g7+ Kd7c6 Dg7g6+ Kc6b5 h5h6 d4d3 Dg6e8+ Kb5b4 De8b8+ Kb4c4 Db8c7+ Kc4b3 Dc7b6+ Kb3c2 Db6c5+ Kc2d2 h6h7 Dd1e1+ Ke5f6 De1a1+ Kf6f5
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 18/49    00:03      13.146.917    3.953.000    +0,11    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6h8+ Ke8d7 Dh8g7+ Kd7c6 Dg7g6+ Kc6b5 h5h6 d4d3 Dg6e8+ Kb5b4 De8b8+ Kb4c4 Db8c7+ Kc4b3 Dc7b6+ Kb3c2 Db6c5+ Kc2d2 h6h7 Dd1e1+ Ke5f6 De1a1+ Kf6f5
 18/49    00:03      13.146.917    3.953.000    +M18    h5h6+ Kg7xh6 Ke5f6 Dd1h5 Df5d3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d4d3 Df5xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d5d4 Df5e4 Dh5f7+ Kf6xf7 Kh6h5 De4xd4 g5g4 Kf7f6 Kh5h4 Kf6f5 Kh4g3 Dd4f4+ Kg3h3 Df4xg4+ Kh3h2 Kf5e4 Kh2h1 Ke4f3 Kh1h2 Dg4g2+
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 19/49    00:03      13.510.550    3.935.000    +0,11    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6h6+ Kf8e8 Dh6h8+ Ke8d7 Dh8g7+ Kd7c6 Dg7g6+ Kc6b5 h5h6 d4d3 Dg6e8+ Kb5b4 De8b8+ Kb4c4 Db8c7+ Kc4b3 Dc7b6+ Kb3c2 Db6c5+ Kc2d2 h6h7 Dd1e1+ Ke5f6 De1a1+ Kf6f5
 19/49    00:03      13.510.550    3.935.000    +M18    h5h6+ Kg7xh6 Ke5f6 Dd1h5 Df5d3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d4d3 Df5xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d5d4 Df5e4 Dh5f7+ Kf6xf7 Kh6h5 De4xd4 g5g4 Kf7f6 Kh5h4 Kf6f5 Kh4g3 Dd4f4+ Kg3h3 Df4xg4+ Kh3h2 Kf5e4 Kh2h1 Ke4f3 Kh1h2 Dg4g2+
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 20/49    00:06      26.912.754    4.301.000    +0,02    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6h6+ Kf8g8 Dh6xg5+ Kg8h8 Dg5f6+ Kh8g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6f5+ Kf8g8 Df5e6+ Kg8f8
 20/49    00:06      26.912.754    4.301.000    +M16    h5h6+ Kg7xh6 Ke5f6 Dd1h5 Df5d3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d4d3 Df5xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d5d4 Df5e4 d4d3 De4xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 g5g4 Df5f4+ Kh6h7 Df4c7+ Dh5f7+ Dc7xf7+ Kh7h6 Df7g6+
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 21/49    00:07      34.459.703    4.419.000    +0,02    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6h6+ Kf8g8 Dh6xg5+ Kg8h8 Dg5h6+ Kh8g8 Dh6g6+ Kg8h8 Dg6f6+ Kh8g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6f5+ Kf8g8 Ke5d6 Dd1g1 Kd6xd5 Dg1e3 Df5g6+ Kg8h8 Dg6f6+ Kh8g8 h5h6 De3g1 Df6f5 Dg1h1+ Kd5xd4 Dh1xh6 Df5d5+ Kg8h7 Kd4d3 Dh6f4 Dd5d7+ Kh7h6 Dd7e6+ Kh6g5 De6d5+ Df4f5+ Dd5xf5+ Kg5xf5 Kd3e2 Kf5g4
 21/49    00:07      34.459.703    4.419.000    +M16    h5h6+ Kg7xh6 Ke5f6 Dd1h5 Df5d3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d4d3 Df5xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d5d4 Df5e4 d4d3 De4xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 g5g4 Df5f4+ Kh6h7 Df4c7+ Dh5f7+ Dc7xf7+ Kh7h6 Df7g6+
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 22/52    00:09      43.225.958    4.485.000    +0,02    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6h6+ Kf8g8 Dh6xg5+ Kg8h8 Dg5h6+ Kh8g8 Dh6g6+ Kg8h8 Dg6f6+ Kh8g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6f5+ Kf8g8 Ke5d6 Dd1g1 Kd6xd5 Kg8g7 Df5f4 d4d3 Kd5e4 Dg1b1 Df4g5+ Kg7f8 Dg5f6+ Kf8g8 Ke4e3 Db1c2 Df6g6+ Kg8h8
 22/52    00:09      43.225.958    4.485.000    +M16    h5h6+ Kg7xh6 Ke5f6 Dd1h5 Df5d3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d4d3 Df5xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d5d4 Df5e4 d4d3 De4xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 g5g4 Df5f4+ Kh6h7 Df4c7+ Dh5f7+ Dc7xf7+ Kh7h6 Df7g6+
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 23/52    00:19      89.582.837    4.746.000     0,00    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6h6+ Kf8g8 Dh6xg5+ Kg8h8 Dg5h6+ Kh8g8 Dh6g6+ Kg8h8 Dg6e8+ Kh8g7 De8g6+ Kg7h8 Dg6e8+
 23/52    00:18      89.582.837    4.746.000    +M16    h5h6+ Kg7xh6 Ke5f6 Dd1h5 Df5d3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d4d3 Df5xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d5d4 Df5e4 d4d3 De4xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 g5g4 Df5f4+ Kh6h7 Df4c7+ Dh5f7+ Dc7xf7+ Kh7h6 Df7g6+
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 24/52    00:24     118.442.711    4.793.000     0,00    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6h6+ Kf8g8 Dh6xg5+ Kg8h8 Dg5h6+ Kh8g8 Dh6e6+ Kg8f8 De6d6+ Kf8g8 Dd6xd5+ Kg8h8 Dd5a8+ Kh8h7 Da8e4+ Kh7h8 De4h4 Kh8h7 Dh4f4 d4d3 Df4f7+ Kh7h8 Df7f6+ Kh8g8 Df6g5+ Kg8h8 Dg5h6+ Kh8g8 Dh6e6+ Kg8h8 De6f6+ Kh8g8
 24/52    00:24     118.442.711    4.793.000    +M16    h5h6+ Kg7xh6 Ke5f6 Dd1h5 Df5d3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d4d3 Df5xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d5d4 Df5e4 d4d3 De4xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 g5g4 Df5f4+ Kh6h7 Df4c7+ Dh5f7+ Dc7xf7+ Kh7h6 Df7g6+
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 24/52    00:29     141.164.623    4.825.000     0,00    Df5f6+ Kg7g8 Df6e6+ Kg8f8 De6h6+ Kf8g8 Dh6xg5+ Kg8h8 Dg5h6+ Kh8g8 Dh6e6+ Kg8f8 De6d6+ Kf8g8 Dd6xd5+ Kg8h8 Dd5a8+ Kh8h7 Da8e4+ Kh7h8 De4h4 Kh8h7 Dh4f4 d4d3 Df4f7+ Kh7h8 Df7f6+ Kh8g8 Df6g5+ Kg8h8 Dg5h6+ Kh8g8 Dh6e6+ Kg8h8 De6f6+ Kh8g8
 25/52    00:29     141.164.623    4.825.000    +M16    h5h6+ Kg7xh6 Ke5f6 Dd1h5 Df5d3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d4d3 Df5xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 d5d4 Df5e4 d4d3 De4xd3 Dh5e8 Dd3h3+ De8h5 Dh3f5 g5g4 Df5f4+ Kh6h7 Df4c7+ Dh5f7+ Dc7xf7+ Kh7h6 Df7g6+

By Peter Martan Date 2010-10-09 10:05 Edited 2010-10-09 10:07

Guten Morgen und auch ein schönes Wochenende, Anton!

Neue Partie
8/6k1/8/3pKQpP/3p4/8/8/3q4 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Houdini 1.03 w32 4_CPU:

1.Dxg5+ Kf8 2.h6 De2+ 3.Kxd4 Dc4+ 4.Ke5 De4+ 5.Kd6 d4 6.Df6+ Ke8 7.Dh8+ Kf7 8.Dg7+ Ke8
+/= (0.36)   Tiefe: 6/23   00:00:00 28kN
dazwischen liegen gerade mal 2 Sekunden auf meinem low end Quad, nach weiteren 2 Sekunden dann...
1.Df6+ Kh7 2.Dg6+ Kh8 3.Dh6+ Kg8 4.Dxg5+ Kf7 5.Df6+ Kg8 6.De6+ Kh8 7.De8+ Kg7 8.Dg6+ Kf8 9.Df5+ Ke8 10.Kf6 Dc1 11.De6+ Kd8 12.Dxd5+ Kc7 13.Df7+ Kd6 14.Df8+ Kd7 15.Dg7+ Kd6 16.Dg6 Dc3 17.h6 d3+ 18.Kg5+ Kc5 19.Df6 Dd2+ 20.Kf5 Df2+ 21.Kg5
= (0.19)   Tiefe: 18/42   00:00:02 7157kN
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.De6+ Kh5 3.Dxd5 De2+
= (0.23 !)   Tiefe: 19/50   00:00:04 14595kN
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.De6+ Kh5 3.Dxd5 De2+
+/= (0.33 !)   Tiefe: 19/50   00:00:04 14664kN
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.De6+ Kh5 3.Dxd5 De2+
+/= (0.58 !)   Tiefe: 19/50   00:00:04 14791kN
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.De6+ Kh5 3.Dxd5 De2+
+- (1.47 !)   Tiefe: 19/50   00:00:04 15049kN
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.De6+ Kh5 3.Dxd5 De2+
+- (4.41 !)   Tiefe: 19/50   00:00:04 15472kN
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.De6+ Kh5 3.Dxd5 De2+
+- (12.18 !)   Tiefe: 19/50   00:00:04 15914kN
und das #16 kommt schon wieder 2 Sekunden später...
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8 7.Dh3+ Dh5 8.Df5 d4 9.De4 d3 10.Dxd3 De8 11.Dh3+ Dh5 12.Df5 g4 13.Df4+ Kh7 14.Dc7+ Df7+ 15.Dxf7+ Kh6 16.Dg6#
+- (#16)   Tiefe: 19/50   00:00:04 16021kN

Der Umgang mit dem Nullzug ist bei diesem Programm schon einmalig, Stockfish 1.9 und Ivan T0.4 mit und ohne Robbobases fangen sich lange in Schachgebotsschleifen.

Analysis by Stockfish 1.9 JA:

1.Dxg5+ Kf8 2.h6 De2+ 3.Kxd4 De4+ 4.Kc5 Kf7 5.Dg7+ Ke6 6.h7
+/- (0.96 !)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00 31kN
...
1.Dxg5+ Kh7 2.Df5+ Kh8 3.h6 De2+ 4.Kxd4 Dd2+ 5.Kc5 Dxh6 6.De5+ Kh7 7.Dc7+ Kg8 8.Dc8+ Kh7 9.Dc7+
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 34   00:05:09 1374mN

Dazu kurze historische Betrachtungen, weil ich sie mit Marco Costalba zum Thema Nullzug (was ich vereinfachend auch als pruning bezeichne) im talkchess angestellt hatte:

Analysis by Stockfish 1.6 JA:

1.Dxg5+ Kf7 2.Dg6+ Ke7 3.h6 d3 4.De6+ Kf8 5.Df6+ Ke8 6.Dg6+ Kf8 7.Dg7+ Ke8 8.Kxd5 De2
+/- (0.84)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00 21kN
...
1.Dxg5+ Kh7 2.Dg6+ Kh8 3.Kxd5 d3 4.Df6+ Kg8 5.Dg6+ Kf8 6.h6 Df3+ 7.Kc4 Df7+ 8.Dxf7+ Kxf7 9.Kxd3 Kf8 10.h7 Kg7 11.Kc4 Kxh7
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 23   00:00:40 157mN
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8 7.Dh3+ Dh5 8.Df5 g4 9.Df4+ Kh7 10.Dc7+ Kh6 11.Dg7#
= (0.20 !)   Tiefe: 23   00:00:49 192mN
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8 7.Dh3+ Dh5 8.Df5 g4 9.Df4+ Kh7 10.Dc7+ Kh6 11.Dg7#
+/- (1.01 !)   Tiefe: 24   00:00:50 196mN
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8 7.Dh3+ Dh5 8.Df5 g4 9.Df4+ Kh7 10.Dc7+ Kh6 11.Dg7#
+- (4.24 !)   Tiefe: 25   00:00:50 196mN
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8 7.Dh3+ Dh5 8.Df5 g4 9.Df4+ Kh7 10.Dc7+ Kh6 11.Dg7#
+- (16.96 !)   Tiefe: 26   00:00:51 196mN
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8 7.Dh3+ Dh5 8.Df5 g4 9.Df4+ Kh7 10.Dc7+ Kh6 11.Dg7#
+- (85.02 !)   Tiefe: 27   00:00:51 196mN

Schon bei 1.7 war's damit aber vorbei:

8/6k1/8/3pKQpP/3p4/8/8/3q4 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 1.7.1 JA:

1.Dxg5+ Kf7 2.Dg6+ Ke7 3.De6+ Kf8 4.Df6+ Ke8 5.h6 Dg4 6.Kxd5 d3
+/- (1.13)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00 15kN
...
1.Dxg5+ Kf8 2.Df6+ Kg8 3.De6+ Kf8 4.Df5+ Ke7 5.Kxd5 Db3+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Ke5 De1+ 8.Kd5 Da5+ 9.Ke4 Dxf5+ 10.Kxf5 Kf8 11.h6 Kg8 12.h7+ Kxh7
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 37   00:35:57 6969mN

Bei dem hilft es aber natürlich die Zugzwang detection einzuschalten, sag ich ja, der Nullzug ist bei Stockfish seit 1.6 deutlich mehr geworden.

Analysis by Stockfish 1.7.1 JA0Z:

1.Dxg5+ Kf7 2.Dg6+ Ke7 3.De6+ Kf8 4.Df6+ Ke8 5.h6 Dg4 6.Kxd5 d3
+/- (1.13)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00 15kN
...
1.Dxg5+ Kh7 2.Dg6+ Kh8 3.h6 De2+ 4.Kxd5 Db5+ 5.Kxd4 Db4+ 6.Ke3 De1+ 7.Kd4 Db4+
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 32   00:03:29 686mN
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8 7.Dh3+ Dh5 8.Df5 d4 9.De4 d3 10.Dxd3 De8 11.Dh3+ Dh5 12.Df5 g4 13.Df4+ Kh7 14.De4+ Kg8 15.Da8+ Kh7 16.Da7+ Kg8 17.Dg7#
= (0.08 !)   Tiefe: 32   00:04:41 901mN
...
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8 7.Dh3+ Dh5 8.Df5 d4 9.De4 d3 10.Dxd3 De8 11.Dh3+ Dh5 12.Df5 g4 13.Df4+ Kh7 14.De4+ Kg8 15.Da8+ Kh7 16.Da7+ Kg8 17.Dg7#
+- (20.68 !)   Tiefe: 32   00:06:26 1221mN

Analysis by Stockfish 1.8 JA:

1.Dxg5+ Kf8 2.Df5+ Kg7 3.Dg6+ Kf8
+/- (1.13)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00 27kN

1.Dxg5+ Kf8 2.h6 De1+ 3.Kxd4 De4+ 4.Kc5 Dc4+ 5.Kd6 Da6+ 6.Kd7 Db5+ 7.Ke6 De2+ 8.Kd7 Db5+
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 32   00:03:33 763mN

Analysis by IvanHoe T0.4 beta4:

1.Dxg5+ Kf7 2.Dg6+ Ke7 3.h6 d3 4.h7 Da1+ 5.Kxd5 Da5+ 6.Ke4 Db4+ 7.Kf5 Db5+ 8.Kf4 Db8+ 9.Ke3
+/- (0.75)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00 57kN
...
1.Dxg5+ Kf8 2.Df6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.De8+ Kh7 5.Df7+ Kh8 6.Df8+ Kh7 7.Df5+ Kh8 8.h6 De2+ 9.Kxd4 De4+ 10.Dxe4 dxe4 11.Kxe4 Kg8 12.Kf5 Kh8 13.Kg6 Kg8 14.h7+ Kh8 15.Kf6 Kxh7 16.Ke5 Kg8 17.Kf5 Kh7 18.Kf4 Kg8 19.Kg5 Kf8 20.Kg6 Kg8 21.Kh6 Kf8 22.Kg5 Kg8 23.Kf4 Kh8 24.Ke4 Kg8 25.Kf3 Kh8 26.Kf2 Kg8 27.Kg3 Kh8 28.Kf3 Kg8 29.Kf2 Kg7 30.Kg2 Kh6
= (0.05)   Tiefe: 31   00:05:00 854mN

R4 5 Min. lang the same, hätte ich ihm natürlich soviel Zeit gelassen, wie dem guten alten Zappa, wer weiß...

Analysis by Zappa Mexico II:

1.Dxg5+ Kh7 2.Dg6+ Kh8 3.Dh6+ Kg8 4.Dg6+ Kh8
= (0.19)   Tiefe: 9/32   00:00:03 322kN, tb=71
...
1.Dxg5+ Kh7 2.Dg6+ Kh8 3.Dh6+ Kg8 4.Dg5+ Kh7
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 24/67   00:09:41 634mN, tb=680327
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8
+- (#16)   Tiefe: 25/67   00:15:33 1116mN, tb=1084845
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8
+- (#16)   Tiefe: 25/67   00:15:33 1116mN, tb=1084845
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8
+- (#16)   Tiefe: 25/67   00:19:56 1443mN, tb=1417277
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8 7.Dxd5
+- (#16)   Tiefe: 25/69   00:23:43 1803mN, tb=1937091
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8
+- (#16)   Tiefe: 26/69   00:43:24 3493mN, tb=3996757
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8
+- (#16)   Tiefe: 26/71   00:50:57 4379mN, tb=5129415

Natürlich, dreht man ihm den Nullzug ab:

Analysis by Zappa Mexico II:

1.Dxg5+ Kh7 2.Dg6+ Kh8 3.Dh6+ Kg8 4.Dg6+ Kh8
+/= (0.28)   Tiefe: 9/33   00:00:03 598kN, tb=102
...
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Kxd5
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 13/38   00:00:10 10692kN, tb=6509
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Df2 Dh5 3.Df6+ Dg6 4.Df8+ Kh5 5.Dh8+ Dh6 6.De8+ Kg4 7.Kxd4 Dg7+ 8.Ke3
+- (5.58)   Tiefe: 13/40   00:00:12 13828kN, tb=9657
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Df2 Dh5 3.Df6+ Dg6 4.Df8+ Kh5 5.Dh8+ Dh6 6.De8+ Kg4 7.Kxd4 Dg7+ 8.Ke3
+- (5.58)   Tiefe: 13/40   00:00:12 13828kN, tb=9657
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8
+- (#16)   Tiefe: 14/47   00:00:15 18891kN, tb=12930
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8
+- (#16)   Tiefe: 14/47   00:00:17 21526kN, tb=17351
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8
+- (#16)   Tiefe: 15/47   00:00:19 25227kN, tb=21523

Der alte Onkel Fritz ist schnell mal guter Dinge, verfängt sich dann aber auch lang in einer Warteschleife:

Analysis by Deep Fritz 10:

1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 7/23   00:00:00 83kN, tb=16
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6 De2+ 5.Kxd5 Db5+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Ke3 Dc3+ 8.Kf4
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 8/21   00:00:00 151kN, tb=57
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6 De2+ 5.Kxd5 Db5+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Ke3 Dc3+ 8.Kf4
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 9/27   00:00:00 335kN, tb=161
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6 De2+ 5.Kxd5 Db5+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Ke3 Dc3+ 8.Kf4
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 10/27   00:00:00 659kN, tb=416
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6 De2+ 5.Kxd5 Db5+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Ke3 Dc3+ 8.Kf4
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 11/30   00:00:01 1204kN, tb=911
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6 De2+ 5.Kxd5 Db5+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Ke3 Dc3+ 8.Kf4
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 12/29   00:00:01 2201kN, tb=1842
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6 De2+ 5.Kxd5 Db5+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Ke3 Dc3+ 8.Kf4
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 13/33   00:00:02 3938kN, tb=3737
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6 De2+ 5.Kxd5 Db5+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Ke3 Dc3+ 8.Kf4
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 14/36   00:00:03 8199kN, tb=8250
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6 De2+ 5.Kxd5 Db5+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Ke3 Dc3+ 8.Kf4
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 15/33   00:00:07 18063kN, tb=19159
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6 De2+ 5.Kxd5 Db5+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Ke3 Dc3+ 8.Kf4
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 16/40   00:00:11 31730kN, tb=36867
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6 De2+ 5.Kxd5 Db5+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Ke3 Dc3+ 8.Kf4
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 17/50   00:00:23 69096kN, tb=86331
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6 De2+ 5.Kxd5 Db5+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Ke3 Dc3+
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 18/55   00:00:50 150mN, tb=221094
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.h6 De2+ 5.Kxd5 Db5+ 6.Kxd4 Db4+ 7.Kd5
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 19/56   00:01:48 342mN, tb=564675
1.h6+
+- (6.32)   Tiefe: 19/64   00:03:23 698mN, tb=1028215
1.h6+
+- (6.85)   Tiefe: 19/64   00:03:23 698mN, tb=1029162
1.h6+
+- (9.92)   Tiefe: 19/64   00:03:23 698mN, tb=1029424
1.h6+ Kxh6
+- (9.64)   Tiefe: 20/65   00:03:29 728mN, tb=1118595
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Dd3
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 20/65   00:03:35 757mN, tb=1227024

Blöd irgendwie so knapp vor dem Ziel.

Der Selektivität 0 passiert das nicht:

Analysis by Deep Fritz 10:

1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.Kxd5 d3 5.De8+ Kh7
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 8/20   00:00:00 166kN, tb=51
...
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.Kxd5 d3 5.De8+ Kg7
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 20/65   00:02:57 966mN, tb=1626068
1.h6+
+/- (1.23)   Tiefe: 20/95   00:05:40 1854mN, tb=3031943
1.h6+
+- (2.90)   Tiefe: 20/95   00:05:40 1854mN, tb=3032301
1.h6+
+- (3.21)   Tiefe: 20/95   00:05:45 1868mN, tb=3041745
1.h6+
+- (4.39)   Tiefe: 20/95   00:05:46 1869mN, tb=3042816
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5
+- (#16)   Tiefe: 20/95   00:08:43 2761mN, tb=3865988

Infolgedessen beim 12er gleich nur ohne probiert:

Analysis by Deep Fritz 12:

1.Dxg5+ Kf7 2.Dg6+ Kf8 3.h6 De2+ 4.Kxd4 Dc4+ 5.Ke3 d4+ 6.Kd2 Dc3+ 7.Ke2 d3+ 8.Kf3 d2+ 9.Ke2 Ke7
+/= (0.26)   Tiefe: 9/26   00:00:00 635kN, tb=219
...
1.Dxg5+ Kf7 2.Dg6+ Kf8 3.Df6+ Kg8 4.De6+ Kf8
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 20/47   00:06:15 1539mN, tb=1414833
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8 7.Dh3+ Dh5
+- (#16)   Tiefe: 20/47   00:06:33 1574mN, tb=1610506

By Ingo Bauer Date 2010-10-09 10:37

Hallo,

Hier mal Shredder 12. Allerdings alles, wie die anderen hier aufgeführten Engines als MP. Vielleicht hatte ich nur Glück:

8/6k1/8/3pKQpP/3p4/8/8/3q4 w - -

Engine: Deep Shredder 12 x64 (1024 MB)
by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

8/22   0:00   +1.44    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qc6+ Kf8 
                       4.Qh6+ (119.952) 160 TB:269 SB:9.016 

9/27   0:01   +1.29    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qg6+ Kd8 
                       4.Qg8+ Kc7 5.Qf7+ Kb6 6.Qe6+ Ka7 
                       7.Qd7+ Kb6 8.Qd6+ Ka7 9.Qc5+ (242.474) 199 TB:663 
                       SB:18.263 

10/29  0:02   +0.64    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qg6+ Kf8 (1.055.221) 425 
                       TB:1.848 SB:77.390 

11/30  0:04   +0.48    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qg6+ Kf8 (1.832.622) 395 
                       TB:3.772 SB:131.076 

12/32  0:07   +0.48    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qg6+ Kf8 (2.762.777) 368 
                       TB:7.056 SB:197.005 

13/35  0:21   +0.39    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qg6+ Kf8 (22.724.530) 1077 
                       TB:17.779 SB:1.971.345 

14/37  0:31   +0.01    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qg6+ Kf8 
                       4.Qh6+ (50.585.445) 1623 TB:28.063 
                       SB:4.100.793 

15/39  0:37   +0.01    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qg6+ Kf8 
                       4.Qh6+ Ke8 (62.367.599) 1672 
                       TB:36.604 SB:5.032.692 

16/40  0:41   +0.01    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qg6+ Kf8 
                       4.Qh6+ (73.141.981) 1765 TB:44.178 
                       SB:5.956.213 

17/44  0:46   +0.01    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qg6+ Kf8 
                       4.Qh6+ Ke8 (90.342.036) 1936 
                       TB:51.708 SB:7.518.873 

18/44  0:53   +0.01    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qg6+ Kf8 
                       4.Qh6+ (120.487.561) 2238 TB:58.954 
                       SB:10.235.185 

19/49  1:08   +0.01    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qg6+ Kf8 
                       4.Qh6+ Ke8 (194.114.794) 2837 
                       TB:65.779 SB:16.183.011 

20/50  1:56   +0.01    1.Qxg5+ Kf8 2.Qf6+ Ke8 3.Qg6+ Kf8 
                       4.Qh6+ (466.282.114) 4000 TB:74.898 
                       SB:44.239.491 

20/50  3:05   +(12)    1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Qh5 3.Qd3 Qe8 
                       4.Qh3+ Qh5 5.Qf5 d3 6.Qxd3 Qe8 
                       7.Qh3+ Qh5 8.Qf5 d4 9.Qe4 (711.106.757) 3841 
                       TB:91.927 SB:64.943.942 

21/21  3:05   +(12)    1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Qh5 3.Qd3 Qe8 
                       4.Qh3+ Qh5 5.Qf5 d3 6.Qxd3 Qe8 
                       7.Qh3+ Qh5 8.Qf5 d4 9.Qe4 (711.107.075) 3841 
                       TB:91.927 SB:64.943.963 

22/41  3:23   +M16     1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Qh5 3.Qd3 Qe8 
                       4.Qh3+ Qh5 5.Qf5 d3 6.Qxd3 Qe8 
                       7.Qh3+ Qh5 8.Qf5 d4 9.Qe4 (781.113.532) 3841 
                       TB:106.574 SB:68.088.417 

23/43  3:52   +M16     1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Qh5 3.Qd3 Qe8 
                       4.Qh3+ Qh5 5.Qf5 d3 6.Qxd3 Qe8 
                       7.Qh3+ Qh5 8.Qf5 d4 9.Qe4 (872.486.269) 3751 
                       TB:132.982 SB:73.498.528 

24/48  4:43   +M16     1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Qh5 3.Qd3 Qe8 
                       4.Qh3+ Qh5 5.Qf5 d3 6.Qxd3 Qe8 
                       7.Qh3+ Qh5 8.Qf5 d4 9.Qe4 (987.733.030) 3486 
                       TB:193.869 SB:81.808.876 

best move: h5-h6 time: 4:49.148 min  n/s: 3.477.654  CPU 340.7%   n/s(1CPU): 1.020.737  nodes: 1.003.713.688 TB: 196.738 SB: 83.420.098

Gruß
Ingo

By Peter Martan Date 2010-10-09 11:27

[quote="Ingo Bauer"]
Hallo,

Hier mal Shredder 12. Allerdings alles, wie die anderen hier aufgeführten Engines als MP. Vielleicht hatte ich nur Glück:
[/quote]

Mag sein, sehr groß kann das Glück allerdings auch wieder nicht gewesen sein, ich hatte gerade einen Versuch auf Dual mit knapp über 5 Minuten bis zum Ansteigen der 1. h6+ Bewertung, offenbar hatte ich das erste Mal einfach zu kurz gewartet, ich lass ihn jetzt nochmal auf single core anfangen.

By Peter Martan Date 2010-10-09 14:55 Edited 2010-10-09 15:01

Tatsächlich aber ein sehr eigenartiges Rechenverhalten von S12 hier. Einmal bleibt er auf Quad 2 Stunden in Tiefe 20 bei 1... h6 hängen, auf single in Tiefe 25 nach derselben Zeit ebenso, beide Male kommt die Lösung nicht in den output.
Dann wieder auf Quad, (sicher keine .pl2 und kein hash vorhanden):

8/6k1/8/3pKQpP/3p4/8/8/3q4 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Shredder 12 UCI:

1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Df6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8
+/- (1.22)   Tiefe: 6/19   00:00:00 15kN, tb=151
...
1.Dxg5+ Kh8 2.Dh6+ Kg8 3.Dg6+ Kh8 4.Df6+ Kg8
= (0.00)   Tiefe: 19/47   00:00:22 36696kN, tb=154567
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8 7.Dh3+ Dh5 8.Df5 d4 9.De4 d3 10.Dxd3 De8 11.Dh3+ Dh5 12.Df5
+- (12.29)   Tiefe: 19/51   00:01:17 202mN, tb=234317
1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8 4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8 7.Dh3+ Dh5 8.Df5 d4 9.De4
+- (12.29)   Tiefe: 20/48   00:01:20 209mN, tb=270396

Dabei bleibt's dann aber auch wieder über 7 Minuten, wieder abgebrochen.
Nächster Versuch, diesmal wieder auf eigenem GUI, auch wieder auf Quad:

Engine: Deep Shredder 12 UCI (1536 MB)
von Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

11/32 0:00   +1.22 1.Dxg5+ Kf8 2.Df6+ Ke8 3.Dg6+ Kd7
   4.Df7+ Kc6 5.De6+ Kc7 6.Dd6+ Kb7
   7.De7+ Kc8 (777.576) 1213 TB:2.827
   SB:56.200

...

20/52 9:21   +0.01 1.Dxg5+ Kf8 2.Df6+ Ke8 3.Dg6+ Kd7
   4.Dd6+ Ke8 5.De6+ (1.303.701.188) 2320
   TB:454.177 SB:65.196.321

20/53 12:47 +(11) 1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8
   4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8
   7.Dh3+ Dh5 8.Df5 g4 9.Df4+ Kh7
   10.Dc7+ Df7+ 11.Kxf7 (1.549.449.074) 2019
   TB:638.910 SB:85.233.770

...

23/42 14:34 +(11) 1.h6+ Kxh6 2.Kf6 Dh5 3.Dd3 De8
   4.Dh3+ Dh5 5.Df5 d3 6.Dxd3 De8
   7.Dh3+ Dh5 8.Df5 g4 9.Df4+ Kh7
   10.Dc7+ Df7+ 11.Kxf7 (1.667.754.606) 1906
   TB:963.167 SB:91.388.099

By Ingo Bauer Date 2010-10-09 16:28

Hallo Peter,

offensichtlich hast du unter der CB GUI nicht die Sbases eingebunden, deswegen hängt er da. Unter der CLassic ist das +11 die ANzahl der Züge zu einem Übergang in einen gewonnenen 5Steiner. Die Sbases sagen halt nur gewonnen (verloren) oder remis, sonst nichts. Hast du jetzt 5 Steiner Tbs für die Engine zur Verfügung spielt Shredder bis da ran und dann denn Gewinn aus den Tbs.

De fakto macht er alles richtig.

Gruß
INgo

By Peter Martan Date 2010-10-09 16:43

Hatte ich mir schon gedacht, Ingo, aber warum hängt er sich ohne Shredderbases da zeitweise derartig auf? (Die Nalimovs, die mit dem Fritz- Endspielturbo in diesem Fall komplette 5Steiner + ein paar 6er sind, decken auch sicher alles ab, was die Sbs bieten).
Auch war der beste MP- Versuch auf Fritz, wie du gesehen hast.
Bin schon sehr gespannt auf die 6Steiner Shredderbases.

By Ingo Bauer Date 2010-10-09 17:28

Moin,

Keine Ahnung warum er sich so aufhängt, ich vermute mal er will das Matt komplett auflösen ... und das kann dauern bei Shredder ... und dann auch noch bremsende Tbs. Einfach Sbases auch nutzen und gut ist.

Mein Versuch oben ist übrigens mit 5er Sbases und einem 600GB Subset der 6 Steiner (alle 6er ohne Bauern ~2100GB + 383 GB 6er mit Bauern). Mit diesem Subset ist Shredder als Single Thread auch unter 4 Min komplett (also mit Mattansage) fündig. Er bekommt halt die Info wann das Matt kommt aus den Tbs. Wenn nur 6er Sbases da wären, ständ da (+X) und es würde bedeuten X Züge bis zum Übergang in ein gewonnenen 6 Steiner.

Gruß
Ingo

By Peter Martan Date 2010-10-09 17:37 Edited 2010-10-09 17:40

Das klingt nach ist bald soweit, oder will ich da nur wieder was in meinem Sinn verstehen...

By Ingo Bauer Date 2010-10-09 17:52

Du mußt schon selber in dich gehen um dir diese Frage zu beantworten - ich jedenfalls bin dazu nicht qualifiziert genug.

BYe
Ingo