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- - By Ingo Bauer Date 2008-09-27 10:02
Hallo alle

Vielleicht interessiert es ja den ein oder anderen:

Noch eine Info von mir und der SSDF Seite: "All games have been played on the tournament level, 40 moves/2 hours followed by 20 moves/each following hour. "

     THE SSDF RATING LIST 2008-09-26    116487 games played by  308 computers
                                           Rating   +     -  Games   Won  Oppo
                                           ------  ---   --- -----   ---  ----
   1 Deep Rybka 3  2GB Q6600 2,4 GHz         3238   53   -43   372   88%  2899
   2 Zappa Mexico II  2GB Q6600 2,4 GHz      3071   38   -36   397   69%  2930
   3 Deep Shredder 11  2GB  Q6600  2,4 GHz   3050   34   -32   484   68%  2921
   4 Deep Hiarcs 12  2GB Q6600 2,4 GHz       3040   32   -30   551   71%  2883
   5 Hiarcs 11.2 MP  2GB  Q6600  2,4 GHz     3010   36   -35   408   63%  2913
   6 Deep Junior 10.1  2GB  Q6600  2,4 GHz   2983   33   -33   444   53%  2960
   7 Rybka 2.3.1 Arena 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2925   26   -25   775   59%  2857
   8 Fritz 11  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz         2923   53   -48   209   68%  2791
   9 Deep Shredder 11  256MB  Athlon 1200    2915   39   -38   330   54%  2888
   9 Deep Fritz 8 2GB  Q6600  2,4 GHz        2915   31   -32   507   42%  2971
  11 Shredder 8 MP 2GB  Q6600  2,4 GHz       2902   35   -35   401   45%  2941
  11 Rybka 1.2  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz        2902   25   -24   893   71%  2747
  13 Hiarcs 11.1  256MB  Athlon 1200 MHz     2876   24   -24   819   54%  2850
  14 Junior 10.1  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz      2860   23   -22   966   55%  2822
  15 Fritz 10  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz         2847   37   -35   416   69%  2703
  16 Junior 10  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz        2840   23   -22  1002   65%  2727
  17 Zap!Chess Zanzibar 256MB Athlon 1200 MH 2839   23   -23   926   55%  2805
  18 Deep Junior 8  2GB Q6600 2,4 GHz        2833   40   -41   303   41%  2899
  19 Hiarcs 10 HypMod 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2830   20   -19  1416   69%  2693
  20 Fruit 2.2.1  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz      2827   20   -19  1345   62%  2738
  21 Shredder 10 UCI  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2824   20   -20  1246   58%  2767
  22 Fritz 9.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz        2812   18   -18  1515   56%  2769
  22 Spike 1.2  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz        2812   26   -26   714   57%  2761
  24 Shredder 9.0 UCI  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2808   20   -20  1280   66%  2695
  25 Shredder 8.0 CB  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2801   23   -22  1115   71%  2643
  26 Junior 9.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz       2779   25   -24   868   63%  2682
  27 Rybka 1.0 beta 128MB K6-2 450 MHz       2775   64   -69   115   38%  2859
  28 Deep Fritz 8.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz   2773   23   -22  1024   68%  2644
  29 Chess Tiger 2007  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2768   28   -28   625   50%  2765
  30 Spike 1.1  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz        2757   31   -30   537   57%  2704
  31 Zap!Chess  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz        2730   30   -29   562   53%  2706
  32 Gandalf 6.0  256MB  Athlon 1200 MHz     2726   24   -24   835   56%  2684
  33 Chess Tiger 2004  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2719   21   -21  1088   52%  2702
  34 Chessmaster 9000  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2711   36   -35   385   56%  2671
  35 Pro Deo 1.1  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz      2706   24   -23   876   57%  2653
  36 Deep Sjeng 1.5a  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2666   31   -31   493   52%  2654
  37 Revelation Rybka 2.2                    2653   69   -62   126   68%  2519
  38 Ruffian 2.0.0  256MB  Athlon 1200 MHz   2625   49   -49   205   46%  2654
  39 Gromit 3.11.9  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2603   44   -46   246   43%  2655
  40 Yace Paderborn  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz   2601   35   -35   389   48%  2615
  41 Crafty 19.17  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz     2524   41   -44   304   30%  2674
  42 Pocket Fritz 2 XScale 400 MHz           2506   54   -51   181   60%  2437
  43 Resurrection Rybka 2.2 StrongARM 203 MH 2488   54   -54   168   53%  2469
  44 Resurrection Fruit '05 StrongARM 203 MH 2397   67   -63   120   60%  2323
  45 Hiarcs 9.5a/9.6 Palm TungstenE OMAP 126 2389   35   -35   404   45%  2425
  46 CEBoard Crafty 2004 HP RX4240           2362   72   -70   100   55%  2327
  47 R30 v. 2.5                              2272   41   -38   343   69%  2134
  48 Chess Genius 1.4 SX1  OMAP 310 120 MHz  2150   50   -48   210   60%  2080
  49 Chess Tiger 14.9 Palm m515 16MB 42MHz   2100   69   -74   100   39%  2179
  50 Chess Genius 1.5 Palm m515 16MB 42MHz   1870   69   -78   100   32%  2002



1 Deep Rybka 3  2GB Q6600 2,4 GHz, 3238
Zap!Mx2 Q6600   23.5-7.5   DJun101 Q6600     34-6     DShre11 A1200     41-4
DFritz8 Q6600   50.5-8.5   Hiar111 A1200     39-4     Juni101 A1200     52-3
Junio10 A1200     36-4     Zap!Zan A1200    8.5-1.5   Fritz 9 A1200   44.5-4.5



2 Zappa Mexico II  2GB Q6600 2,4 GHz, 3071
DRybka3 Q6600    7.5-23.5  DShre11 Q6600   22.5-17.5  DJun101 Q6600     25-15
Rybk231 A1200     28-12    DFritz8 Q6600     28-12    Shr8 MP Q6600     36-4
Hiar111 A1200     28-12    Juni101 A1200     32-8     Shred10 A1200     35-11
Fritz 9 A1200   32.5-7.5 



3 Deep Shredder 11  2GB  Q6600  2,4 GHz, 3050
Zap!Mx2 Q6600   17.5-22.5  DHiarcs Q6600   22.5-17.5  Hiar112 Q6600     21-19
DJun101 Q6600     24-16    Rybk231 A1200   29.5-10.5  DFritz8 Q6600     29-11
Shr8 MP Q6600     27-13    Hiar111 A1200   30.5-9.5   Juni101 A1200     32-8
Zap!Zan A1200   28.5-11.5  DJunio8 Q6600     33-9     Fritz 9 A1200   32.5-9.5



4 Deep Hiarcs 12  2GB Q6600 2,4 GHz, 3040
DShre11 Q6600   17.5-22.5  Hiar112 Q6600     19-21    DJun101 Q6600     23-17
Rybk231 A1200     32-17    DFritz8 Q6600     33-13    Shr8 MP Q6600   27.5-12.5
Juni101 A1200     32-8     Zap!Zan A1200     39-13    DJunio8 Q6600     36-4
Shred10 A1200     44-13    Fritz 9 A1200   44.5-14.5  Hiarcs9 A1200   44.5-3.5



5 Hiarcs 11.2 MP  2GB  Q6600  2,4 GHz, 3010
DShre11 Q6600     19-21    DHiarcs Q6600     21-19    DJun101 Q6600     22-18
Rybk231 A1200   23.5-16.5  DFritz8 Q6600     23-17    Shr8 MP Q6600   27.5-12.5
Juni101 A1200   29.5-14.5  Zap!Zan A1200     29-11    Shred10 A1200     32-10
Fritz 9 A1200     32-10  



6 Deep Junior 10.1  2GB  Q6600  2,4 GHz, 2983
DRybka3 Q6600      6-34    Zap!Mx2 Q6600     15-25    DShre11 Q6600     16-24
DHiarcs Q6600     17-23    Hiar112 Q6600     18-22    DFritz8 Q6600     23-17
Shr8 MP Q6600     27-13    Hiar111 A1200     28-12    Zap!Zan A1200   29.5-12.5
Shred10 A1200   29.5-12.5  Fritz 9 A1200   27.5-12.5



8 Fritz 11  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz, 2923
Rybk231 A1200   25.5-22.5  DShre11 A1200   26.5-21.5  Fruit22 A1200    3.5-2.5
CT 2007 A1200      8-3     CT15.0 K6450    40.5-7.5   DpFritz7 K6-2     38-10



9 Deep Shredder 11  256MB  Athlon 1200, 2915
DRybka3 Q6600      4-41    Rybk231 A1200   24.5-23.5  Fritz11 A1200   21.5-26.5
Juni101 A1200     28-20    Fritz10 A1200     27-19    Rybka 1 K6-2      35-13
CT15.0 K6450    37.5-9.5 



10 Deep Fritz 8 2GB  Q6600  2,4 GHz, 2915
DRybka3 Q6600    8.5-50.5  Zap!Mx2 Q6600     12-28    DShre11 Q6600     11-29
DHiarcs Q6600     13-33    Hiar112 Q6600     17-23    DJun101 Q6600     17-23
Shr8 MP Q6600     19-21    Hiar111 A1200   20.5-19.5  Juni101 A1200   21.5-20.5
Zap!Zan A1200     21-19    DJunio8 Q6600   24.5-15.5  Shred10 A1200   28.5-11.5



11 Shredder 8 MP 2GB  Q6600  2,4 GHz, 2902
Zap!Mx2 Q6600      4-36    DShre11 Q6600     13-27    DHiarcs Q6600   12.5-27.5
Hiar112 Q6600   12.5-27.5  DJun101 Q6600     13-27    Rybk231 A1200      1-0
DFritz8 Q6600     21-19    Juni101 A1200     22-18    Zap!Zan A1200     25-15
Hiarc10 A1200   28.5-11.5  Fritz 9 A1200     26-14

18 Deep Junior 8  2GB Q6600 2,4 GHz, 2833
DShre11 Q6600      9-33    DHiarcs Q6600      4-36    DFritz8 Q6600   15.5-24.5
Juni101 A1200     26-28    Shred10 A1200   20.5-18.5  Fritz 9 A1200   48.5-39.5


27 Rybka 1.0 beta 128MB K6-2 450 MHz, 2775
DShre11 A1200     13-35    Junio10 A1200     22-26    CT 2007 A1200      9-10

37 Revelation Rybka 2.2, 2653
Hiarcs9 A1200    9.5-10.5  Junior7 K6450     11-9     PocketFritz2      14-6
Resurre Rybka    4.5-1.5   Gen6.5 K6-450   14.5-5.5   Resurre Fruit     15-5
Hiarcs 9.5a     17.5-2.5



43 Resurrection Rybka 2.2 StrongARM 203 MH, 2488
DpFritz A1200    1.5-0.5   Revelat Rybka    1.5-4.5   CT14 CB K6450      6-14
CEBoard Fruit    4.5-15.5  Gandalf5 K6-2    9.5-10.5  PocketFritz2       9-11
Goliath K6450     12-8     Hiarcs 9.5a       14-6     Shredder P90    14.5-5.5
London 68 030     16-4



46 CEBoard Crafty 2004 HP RX4240, 2362
CEBoard Fruit    4.5-15.5  Hiarcs 9.5a        9-11    Rebel 9.0 P90     12-8
London 68 030   13.5-6.5   RISC 2500         16-4



As was announced in November last year, SSDFs new hardware for testing
chess programs is Intel Core 2 Quad 6600 2,4 GHz with 2 GB of RAM. A
64-bit operating system is used. Getting a reasonable number of the
strongest chess programs tested on the new PCs took us much longer than
expected, but now we can present a new SSDF Rating List.



Totally we have 15 new entrants, and among them nine have run on Q6600 2,4
GHz. Six have been tested on both Q6600 and Athlon 1200 MHz, which makes a
comparison possible. The total effect of a faster processor, four instead
of one CPU and the use of 64-bit operating system instead of 32 bit has in
average given a rating increase of 120 points. Deep Fritz 8 gained the most
with 142 points whereas Deep Junior 8 increased the least with 84 points.



The new Deep Rybka 3 on a Q6600 is now clearly leading the rating list
with a rating of 3238!! The Chessbase-version of Vas Rajlichs program,
using Jeroen Noomens opening book Rybka 3, has 313 points more than the
leader of the latest list (Rybka 2.3.1) from Nov 3! It would be
interesting to know how much of this tremendous improvement that is due
to better program, opening book, use of the increased number of CPUs or
the use of 64-bit operating system, respectively, but our list cannot
give the answers to those questions at the moment.



Another new program on Q6600 is Zappa Mexico II with a second place on the
list and 3071 in rating! Anthony Cozzies new version has 232 points more
than his earlier Zap!Chess Zanzibar on A1200!



Stefan Meyer-Kahlens Deep Shredder 11 is new on both hardware levels. On
a Q6600 2,4 GHz it takes the third place of the list with 3050! When run
on a Athlon 1200 MHz it has a rating of 2915, which is 91 points more
than Shredder 10 has!



If I am correctly informed Deep Rybka 3, Zappa Mexico II and Deep
Shredder 11 can benefit from the 64-bit operating system which we use on
the Q6600-machines. The other programs tested on our new hardware are
not written in 64-bit code.



Mark Uniackes Deep Hiarcs 12 has the fourth place of the list with 3040.
That is 30 points more than Hiarcs 11.2 MP has on the same hardware.



Fritz 11 A1200 MHz has 2923, which is only two points behind Rybka 2.3.1
A1200, the so far strongest program on the old hardware. Frans Morschs
program has 76 points more than it´s predecessor Fritz 10!



Two new modules for the old chess computers Mephisto Modular, Exclusive
and München have been tested. The first which we tested was Resurrection
Rybka 2.2 with a StrongArm-processor running on 203 MHz. It got a rating
of 2488. The same program with a XScale-processor at 500 MHz is called
Resurrection II (module) or Revelation. The result of the faster processor
is 165 extra rating points! A rating of 2653 makes Revelation Rybka 2.2
the strongest traditional chess computer!



We also have a program from Bob Hyatt running on a handheld computer,
CEBoard Crafty 2004 HP RX4240 with a Samsung-processor at 400 MHz. It´s
rating is 2362.

The URL of the SSDF home page is http://ssdf.bosjo.net .




Thoralf Karlsson
Parent - - By Ingo Bauer Date 2008-09-27 10:36
Nochmal Hallo:

Am interessantesten fand ich diesen Absatz:

Zitat:

Totally we have 15 new entrants, and among them nine have run on Q6600 2,4
GHz. Six have been tested on both Q6600 and Athlon 1200 MHz, which makes a
comparison possible. The total effect of a faster processor, four instead
of one CPU and the use of 64-bit operating system instead of 32 bit has in
average given a rating increase of 120 points. Deep Fritz 8 gained the most
with 142 points whereas Deep Junior 8 increased the least with 84 points.


Wenn man dann bedenkt das der A1200 nur weniger als halb so schnell war wie der C2 bei 2.4GHz wohlgemerkt bei nur bei einem Kern und dann auch noch 4 Kerne, also verdopplung von A1200 auf C2@2.4 verdoppelt auf 2 verdoppelt auf 4 Kerne = 2^3 = 8 fach Speed (ungefähr) gerade mal 120 Elo im Schnitt bringen, fragt man sich ob sich der ganze Multicore auffand lohnt.

In anderen Worten: Die Schweden haben pro Verdopplung der Hardwaregeschwindigkeit rund 40 ELo raus. Das ist wenig!

Gruß
Ingo
Parent - By Kay Schoenberger Date 2008-09-27 10:44
Wie auch andere Ranglisten wie die CEGT zeigen, beträgt der Zugewinn von 1x auf 2x etwa 50 und der von 2x auf 4x etwa 25 Elo.
Dass DF8 sehr gut mit der Hardware skaliert, ist schon länger bekannt. Beim nächsten Deep-Oldie-Turnier ist er daher vermutlich einer der Favoriten .
Überzeugend auch das Abschneiden von DS11.

Kay
Parent - - By Emil Vlasák Date 2008-09-27 11:30
Im Schachsoftware zwei Kerne bedeuten bei weitem nicht die Verdoppelnug der Leistung
vergleichbare mit der Frequenz Verdoppelnug.
Parent - By Ingo Bauer Date 2008-09-27 11:43
Hallo

[quote="Emil Vlasák"]
Im Schachsoftware zwei Kerne bedeuten bei weitem nicht die Verdoppelnug der Leistung
vergleichbare mit der Frequenz Verdoppelnug.
[/quote]

Das ist mir klar

1. Von A1200 auf Q2.4 ist MEHR als 2x und
2. Der Fakt das in "Computional power" gemessen es rund 8 mal, sind bleibt.

OK, dann rechne ich mal genau wenn das "groß Ganze" nicht reicht:

A1200 auf Q2.4 ist  *2 + 20% da die C2 Kerne besser rechnen - also 2.2
Als Duchschnittfaktor über alle Engines setze ich mal 1.75 an und gehe davon aus das praktisch alle Engines im realen Speed up zw. 1.6 und 1.9 liegen.

Also: 2.2*1.75*1.75= 6.7375 fach

So , jetzt haben wir es ziemlich genau.

Wenn man sich jetzt überlegt das von den 120 der größere Teil auf dem Übergang von A1200 zu Q2.4 liegen, somit nicht mal 40 Elo für die 1.75 Speedup - bei langen Zeitkontrollen - bleiben finde ich das schon entäuschend!

Gruß
Ingo
Parent - - By Eduard Nemeth Date 2008-09-27 12:48
Man sollte hier unbedingt auch erwähnen, dass Rybka 3 hier mit seinem NEUEN eigenen Buch "RybkaIII.CTG" spielt, während die Konkurrenz mit schon deutlich "veralteten" Büchern spielt! Das neue Buch von Jeroen Noomen ist sicherlich für mindestens 50 Punkte gut! Das wird sich jedoch ändern, wenn die neuen Versionen der Verfolger auf den Markt kommen werden.

Ich rechne stark damit dass zB. ein neuer Shredder 12 samt einem neuen Buch > +100 Punkte zulegen wird, ebenso denke ich dass dies auf einen neuen Hiarcs zutreffen wird. Falls ein neuer Deep Fritz 11 (oder eine Deep Version 12?) samt neuem Buch erscheint, dann rechne ich mit demselben Effekt! Der Vorsprung von Rybka 3 wird spätestens im 1. Quartal 2009 deutlich zusammenschumpfen.

MfG.
Eduard
Parent - By Andreas Lüttke Date 2008-09-27 13:17
Hallo Eduard,

ich kann mich Deinen Ausführungen nur anschliessen denn ich sehe das in ähnlicher Form auch so.
Bei all den gedanklichen Aspekten so sollte man aber Junior nicht ausser acht lassen denn das Programm ist immer für eine Überraschung gut (siehe Turin 2006 wo auch alle mit einem Weltmeistertitel von Rajlich (Rybka) rechneten , zumal die letzte offizielle Junior-Version auch schon eine ganze Weile her ist

Gruss Andreas
Parent - - By Klaus Ritter Date 2008-09-27 15:55
Code:
9 Deep Fritz 8 2GB  Q6600  2,4 GHz        2915   31   -32   507   42%  2971


Hmm ist das ein druckfehler? wieso ist kein Deep Fritz 10.1 dabei?

tschööö.
Klaus
Parent - By Bertil Eklund Date 2008-09-27 23:14
Hi!

No, I don´t believe it is a "druckfehler". We have infact played with the old DF8. As far as i know Im the only one that has DF10.
So it can take some time to include DF10.1

Bertil
Parent - - By Jens Heerklotz Date 2008-09-28 00:34
Well to be honest the list is... very incomplete.

It is missing all the naum 3 and all the sjeng 3 just for an example. Same with deepfritz like mentioned in another response.
At least a list which takes itself serious should make sure to  include at least the top 10 programs and i do think that naum
and sjeng belong into the top ten (at least that is what other more complete lists say).
Parent - By Ingo Bauer Date 2008-09-28 05:59
Hallo Jens

[quote="Jens Heerklotz"]
Well to be honest the list is... very incomplete.

It is missing all the naum 3 and all the sjeng 3 just for an example. Same with deepfritz like mentioned in another response.
At least a list which takes itself serious should make sure to  include at least the top 10 programs and i do think that naum
and sjeng belong into the top ten (at least that is what other more complete lists say).
[/quote]

Patience!

They play looong games and just changed to new comps. I am sure they will implement Sjeng and Naum very soon. The "problem" for these two is that they are newcomers, SSDF first tests the old pals!

Time will tell!

BYe
Ingo
Parent - - By Emil Vlasák Date 2008-09-28 07:18
What is the right URL of SSDF list?
On http://ssdf.bosjo.net is still the list from 2007-11-03.
Parent - By Kurt Utzinger Date 2008-09-28 07:40
Hi Emil
You are right: I can't find at http://ssdf.bosjo.net
the new list Ingo has presented and therefore I am wondering
from where Ingo has got the new list.
Kurt
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