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- - By Benno Hartwig Date 2009-08-25 15:24
Wir hatten da Thema schon mal. Sorry, trotzdem:
Will man Engines gegeneinander testen, so kann man z.B. die NUNN-Stellungen als Basis nehmen.
Wenn man speziell die Endspielfähigkeiten der Engines ergründen möchte, wären natürlich Stellungen besser, die dichter am Endspiel liegen und idealerweise beiden Seiten noch Gewinnchenacen bieten. Na, wenigstens einer, die Stellung wird danach ja noch mal mit vertauschten Farben ausgespielt, da bekommt dann die andere Engine ihre Chance.
Kennt jemand eine derartige Sammlung (ich meine damals kam solch eine Info halt nicht )?

Benno
Parent - By Werner Schüle Date 2009-08-25 15:35
z.B.

8/1ppr1kp1/p1p4p/8/8/5P2/PPP1RKPP/8 w - -
8/1pk3pp/p7/3p1p2/8/3K2P1/PP2PP1P/8 w - -
8/4k3/r4pp1/pR6/P4KP1/5P2/8/8 w - -
8/p1p1k3/1p1p2p1/3Pq2p/2P1P3/1P3QPK/P7/8 w - -
8/p3ppk1/1p4pp/3nN3/6PP/1P3P2/P3PK2/8 w - -
7k/pp4pp/2n5/8/8/P7/1P4PP/2K1B3 b - -
8/8/p4Bp1/1pPb2P1/1P2kp2/P7/5K2/8 w - -
8/4k3/p1B4p/2K5/1P4bP/8/8/8 b - -
3R4/1p6/2b5/2P1k2p/p3p2P/P6r/1P2KB2/8 b - -
8/5b2/1k2p1p1/2NpP1P1/1K1P4/8/8/8 w - -
8/5pk1/r5pp/P7/3R3P/6P1/5PK1/8 w - -
4b3/5k2/4p1p1/3pP2p/2pP1P1P/2P5/6N1/2K5 w - -
8/1p1b2k1/p1p1p1p1/2P1P2p/1P3P1P/P2B4/5K2/8 w - -
6k1/2p3np/1p1p2p1/3P4/1PPK1R2/6PB/7P/4r3 w - -
1n6/4k2p/p3ppp1/1pPp4/3P1PP1/3NP3/P3K2P/8 w - -
3r4/7p/Rp4k1/5p2/4p3/2P5/PP3P1P/5K2 b - -
8/6b1/4k2p/p1p1p1p1/2P1K1P1/PP3N1P/8/8 w - -
2r3k1/4pp1p/3p2p1/p2R4/1r6/1P4P1/P3PP1P/R5K1 b - -
6k1/p2b1ppp/8/8/3N4/1P5P/5PP1/6K1 b - -
4b3/pp2kp1p/5bp1/8/8/4P3/PP2NPPP/3N2K1 w - -
oder von Eigenmann:
8/8/p2p3p/3k2p1/PP6/3K1P1P/8/8 b - - bm Kc6; id "E_E_T 001 - B vs B";
8/p5pp/3k1p2/3p4/1P3P2/P1K5/5P1P/8 b - - bm g5; id "E_E_T 002 - B vs B";
8/1p3p2/p7/8/2k5/4P1pP/2P1K1P1/8 w - - bm h4; id "E_E_T 003 - B vs B";
8/pp5p/3k2p1/8/4Kp2/2P1P2P/P7/8 w - - bm exf4; id "E_E_T 004 - B vs B";
8/7p/1p3pp1/p2K4/Pk3PPP/8/1P6/8 b - - bm Kb3 f5; id "E_E_T 005 - B vs B";
2k5/3b4/PP3K2/7p/4P3/1P6/8/8 w - - bm Ke7; id "E_E_T 006 - B vs L";
8/3Pb1p1/8/3P2P1/5P2/7k/4K3/8 w - - bm Kd3; id "E_E_T 007 - B vs L";
8/1Pk2Kpp/8/8/4nPP1/7P/8/8 b - - bm Nf2; id "E_E_T 008 - B vs S";
2n5/4k1p1/P6p/3PK3/7P/8/6P1/8 b - - bm g6; id "E_E_T 009 - B vs S";
4k3/8/3PP1p1/8/3K3p/8/3n2PP/8 b - - am Nf1; id "E_E_T 010 - B vs S";
6k1/5p2/P3p1p1/2Qp4/5q2/2K5/8/8 b - - am Qc1+ Qe5+; id "E_E_T 011 - D vs D";
8/6pk/8/2p2P1p/6qP/5QP1/8/6K1 w - - bm Qd3 Qf2; id "E_E_T 012 - D vs D";
5q1k/5P1p/Q7/5n1p/6P1/7K/8/8 w - - bm Qa1+; id "E_E_T 013 - D vs D&S";
4qr2/4p2k/1p2P1pP/5P2/1P3P2/6Q1/8/3B1K2 w - - bm Ba4; id "E_E_T 014 - D&L vs D&T";
8/kn4b1/P2B4/8/1Q6/6pP/1q4pP/5BK1 w - - bm Bc5+; id "E_E_T 015 - D&L&L vs D&L&S";
6k1/1p2p1bp/p5p1/4pb2/1q6/4Q3/1P2BPPP/2R3K1 w - - bm Qa3; id "E_E_T 017 - D&T&L vs D&L&L";
1rr2k2/p1q5/3p2Q1/3Pp2p/8/1P3P2/1KPRN3/8 w - e6 bm Rd1; id "E_E_T 018 - D&T&S vs D&T&T";
r5k1/3R2p1/p1r1q2p/P4p2/5P2/2p1P3/5P1P/1R1Q2K1 w - - am Rbb7; id "E_E_T 019 - D&T&T vs D&T&T";
8/1p4k1/pK5p/2B5/P4pp1/8/7P/8 b - - am g3; id "E_E_T 020 - L vs B";
8/6p1/6P1/6Pp/B1p1p2K/6PP/3k2P1/8 w - - bm Bd1; id "E_E_T 021 - L vs B";
8/4k3/8/2Kp3p/B3bp1P/P7/1P6/8 b - - bm Bg2; id "E_E_T 022 - L vs L";
8/8/2p1K1p1/2k5/p7/P4BpP/1Pb3P1/8 w - - am Kd7; id "E_E_T 023 - L vs L";
8/3p3B/5p2/5P2/p7/PP5b/k7/6K1 w - - bm b4; id "E_E_T 024 - L vs L";
8/p4p2/1p2k2p/6p1/P4b1P/1P6/3B1PP1/6K1 w - - am Bxf4; id "E_E_T 025 - L vs L";
3b3k/1p4p1/p5p1/4B3/8/7P/1P3PP1/5K2 b - - am Bf6; id "E_E_T 027 - L vs L";
4b1k1/1p3p2/4pPp1/p2pP1P1/P2P4/1P1B4/8/2K5 w - - bm b4; id "E_E_T 028 - L vs L";
8/3k1p2/n3pP2/1p2P2p/5K2/1PB5/7P/8 b - - am Kc6 b4; id "E_E_T 029 - L vs S";
8/8/4p1p1/1P1kP3/4n1PK/2B4P/8/8 b - - bm Kc5; id "E_E_T 030 - L vs S";
8/5k2/4p3/B2p2P1/3K2n1/1P6/8/8 b - - bm Kg6; id "E_E_T 031 - L vs S";
5b2/p4B2/5B2/1bN5/8/P3r3/4k1K1/8 w - - bm Bh5+; id "E_E_T 032 - L&L&S vs T&L&L";
8/p5pq/8/p2N3p/k2P3P/8/KP3PB1/8 w - - bm Be4; id "E_E_T 033 - L&S vs D";
1b6/1P6/8/2KB4/6pk/3N3p/8/8 b - - bm Kg3; id "E_E_T 034 - L&S vs L&B";
8/p7/7k/1P1K3P/8/1n6/4Bp2/5Nb1 b - - bm Na5; id "E_E_T 035 - L&S vs L&S";
8/8/8/3K4/2N5/p2B4/p7/k4r2 w - - bm Kc5; id "E_E_T 036 - L&S vs T&B";
8/8/2kp4/5Bp1/8/5K2/3N4/2rN4 w - - bm Nb3; id "E_E_T 037 - L&S&S vs T&B";
k2K4/1p4pN/P7/1p3P2/pP6/8/8/8 w - - bm f6 Kc7; id "E_E_T 038 - S vs B";
k2N4/1qpK1p2/1p6/1P4p1/1P4P1/8/8/8 w - - bm Nc6; id "E_E_T 039 - S vs D";
6k1/4b3/4p1p1/8/6pP/4PN2/5K2/8 w - - bm Ne5 Nh2; id "E_E_T 040 - S vs L";
8/8/6Np/2p3kP/1pPbP3/1P3K2/8/8 w - - bm e5; id "E_E_T 041 - S vs L";
8/3P4/1p3b1p/p7/P7/1P3NPP/4p1K1/3k4 w - - bm g4; id "E_E_T 042 - S vs L";
8/8/1p2p3/p3p2b/P1PpP2P/kP6/2K5/7N w - - bm Nf2; id "E_E_T 043 - S vs L";
4N3/8/3P3p/1k2P3/7p/1n1K4/8/8 w - - bm d7; id "E_E_T 044 - S vs S";
N5n1/2p1kp2/2P3p1/p4PP1/K4P2/8/8/8 w - - bm f6 Kb5; id "E_E_T 045 - S vs S";
8/8/2pn4/p4p1p/P4N2/1Pk2KPP/8/8 w - - bm Ne2 Ne6; id "E_E_T 046 - S vs S";
8/7k/2P5/2p4p/P3N2K/8/8/5r2 w - - bm Ng5+; id "E_E_T 047 - S vs T";
2k1r3/p7/K7/1P6/P2N4/8/P7/8 w - - bm Nc6; id "E_E_T 048 - S vs T";
1k6/8/8/1K6/5pp1/8/4Pp1p/R7 w - - bm Kb6; id "E_E_T 049 - T vs B";
6k1/8/8/1K4p1/3p2P1/2pp4/8/1R6 w - - bm Kc6; id "E_E_T 050 - T vs B";
8/5p2/3pp2p/p5p1/4Pk2/2p2P1P/P1Kb2P1/1R6 w - - bm a4 Rb5; id "E_E_T 051 - T vs L";
8/8/4pR2/3pP2p/6P1/2p4k/P1Kb4/8 b - - bm hxg4; id "E_E_T 052 - T vs L";
3k3K/p5P1/P3r3/8/1N6/8/8/8 w - - bm Kh7; id "E_E_T 053 - T vs S";
8/8/5p2/5k2/p4r2/PpKR4/1P5P/8 w - - am Rd4; id "E_E_T 054 - T vs T";
5k2/7R/8/4Kp2/5Pp1/P5rp/1P6/8 w - - bm Kf6; id "E_E_T 055 - T vs T";
2K5/p7/7P/5pR1/8/5k2/r7/8 w - - bm Rxf5+; id "E_E_T 056 - T vs T";
8/2R4p/4k3/1p2P3/pP3PK1/r7/8/8 b - - bm h5 Ra1; id "E_E_T 057 - T vs T";
2k1r3/5R2/3KP3/8/1pP3p1/1P5p/8/8 w - - bm Rc7+; id "E_E_T 058 - T vs T";
8/6p1/1p5p/1R2k3/4p3/1P2P3/1K4PP/3r4 b - - am Rd5; id "E_E_T 059 - T vs T";
5K2/kp3P2/2p5/2Pp4/3P4/r7/p7/6R1 w - - bm Ke7; id "E_E_T 060 - T vs T";
8/pp3K2/2P4k/5p2/8/6P1/R7/6r1 w - - bm Kf6; id "E_E_T 061 - T vs T";
2r3k1/6pp/3pp1P1/1pP5/1P6/P4R2/5K2/8 w - - bm c6; id "E_E_T 062 - T vs T";
r2k4/8/8/1P4p1/8/p5P1/6P1/1R3K2 w - - bm b6; id "E_E_T 063 - T vs T";
8/4k3/1p4p1/p7/P1r1P3/1R4Pp/5P1P/4K3 w - - bm Ke2; id "E_E_T 064 - T vs T";
R7/4kp2/P3p1p1/3pP1P1/3P1P2/p6r/3K4/8 w - - bm Kc2; id "E_E_T 065 - T vs T";
8/1pp1r3/p1p2k2/6p1/P5P1/1P3P2/2P1RK2/8 b - - am Rxe2+ Re5; id "E_E_T 066 - T vs T";
8/1p2R3/8/p5P1/3k4/P2p2K1/1P6/5r2 w - - bm Kg2; id "E_E_T 067 - T vs T";
R7/P5Kp/2P5/k3r2P/8/5p2/p4P2/8 w - - bm Rb8; id "E_E_T 068 - T vs T";
8/2p4K/4k1p1/p1p1P3/PpP2P2/5R1P/8/6r1 b - - bm Kf7; id "E_E_T 069 - T vs T";
8/B7/1R6/q3k2p/8/6p1/5P2/5K2 w - - bm Rb3; id "E_E_T 071 - T&L vs D";
5k2/8/2Pb1B2/8/6RK/7p/5p1P/8 w - - bm Be5; id "E_E_T 072 - T&L vs L&B";
3kB3/R4P2/8/8/1p6/pp6/5r2/1K6 w - - bm f8=Q f8=R; id "E_E_T 073 - T&L vs T&B";
5k2/1p6/1P1p4/1K1p2p1/PB1P2P1/3pR2p/1P2p1pr/8 w - - bm Ba5; id "E_E_T 074 - T&L vs T&B";
6k1/p6p/1p1p2p1/2bP4/P1P5/2B3P1/4r2P/1R5K w - - bm a5; id "E_E_T 075 - T&L vs T&L";
3R3B/8/1r4b1/8/4pP2/7k/8/7K w - - bm Bd4; id "E_E_T 076 - T&L vs T&L";
rk1b4/p2p2p1/1P6/2R2P2/8/2K5/8/5B2 w - - bm Rc8+; id "E_E_T 077 - T&L vs T&L";
3r1k2/8/7R/8/8/pp1B4/P7/n1K5 w - - bm Rf6+; id "E_E_T 078 - T&L vs T&S";
r5k1/5ppp/1p6/2b1R3/1p3P2/2nP2P1/1B3PKP/5B2 w - - bm d4; id "E_E_T 079 - T&L&L vs T&L&S";
5k2/3p1b2/4pN2/3PPpp1/6R1/6PK/1B1q1P2/8 w - - bm Ba3+; id "E_E_T 080 - T&L&S vs D&L";
8/1p5p/6p1/1p4Pp/1PpR4/2P1K1kB/6Np/7b w - - bm Rd1; id "E_E_T 081 - T&L&S vs L&B";
7k/1p1Nr2P/3Rb3/8/3K4/6b1/8/5B2 w - - bm Ne5; id "E_E_T 082 - T&L&S vs T&L&L";
8/1B4k1/5pn1/6N1/1P3rb1/P1K4p/3R4/8 w - - bm Nxh3; id "E_E_T 083 - T&L&S vs T&L&S";
8/7p/6p1/3Np1bk/4Pp2/1R3PPK/5r1P/8 w - - bm Nc7; id "E_E_T 084 - T&S vs T&L";
1r6/3b1p2/2k4P/1N3p1P/5P2/8/3R4/2K5 w - - bm Na7+; id "E_E_T 085 - T&S vs T&L";
k6r/8/1R6/8/1pK2p2/8/7N/3b4 w - - bm Nf1; id "E_E_T 086 - T&S vs T&L";
8/8/8/p1p5/2P1k3/1Pn5/1N1R2K1/1r6 w - - bm Kg3; id "E_E_T 087 - T&S vs T&S";
5n1k/1r3P1p/p2p3P/P7/8/1N6/5R2/4K3 b - - bm Re7+; id "E_E_T 088 - T&S vs T&S";
6R1/P2k1N2/r7/7P/r7/p7/7K/8 w - - bm Nh6; id "E_E_T 089 - T&S vs T&T";
8/1rk1P3/7p/P7/1N2r3/5RKb/8/8 w - - bm Na6+; id "E_E_T 090 - T&S&B vs T&T&L";
2K5/k3q3/6pR/6p1/6Pp/7P/8/3R4 w - - bm Rh7; id "E_E_T 090 - T&T vs D";
R5bk/5r2/P7/1P1pR3/3P4/7p/5p1K/8 w - - bm Rh5+; id "E_E_T 092 - T&T vs T&L";
4k3/7r/3nb3/2R5/8/6n1/1R3K2/8 w - - bm Re5; id "E_E_T 093 - T&T vs T&L&S";
1r6/1r6/1P1KP3/6k1/1R4p1/7p/7R/8 w - - bm Kc6 Rb5; id "E_E_T 094 - T&T vs T&T";
1k1K4/1p6/P4P2/2R5/4p2R/r2p4/8/3r4 w - - bm Rf4; id "E_E_T 095 - T&T vs T&T";
5k2/R1p5/p1R3Pb/2K5/2B5/2q2b2/8/8 w - - bm g7+; id "E_E_T 096 - T&T&L vs D&L&L";
8/8/k7/n7/p1R5/p7/4r1p1/KB3R2 w - - bm Rc3; id "E_E_T 097 - T&T&L vs T&S&B";
3r2k1/p1R2ppp/1p6/P1b1PP2/3p4/3R2B1/5PKP/1r6 w - - bm f6; id "E_E_T 098 - T&T&L vs T&T&L";
8/5p2/5rp1/p2k1r1p/P1pNp2P/RP1bP1P1/5P1R/4K3 b - - bm c3; id "E_E_T 099 - T&T&S vs T&T&L";
1r4k1/6pp/3Np1b1/p1R1P3/6P1/P2pr2P/1P1R2K1/8 b - - bm Rf8; id "E_E_T 100 - T&T&S vs T&T&L";
4k1r1/pp2p2p/3pN1n1/2pP4/2P3P1/PP5P/8/5RK1 b - -  am Nf8; id "E_E_T 16b -  T&S vs T&S";
8/3k3p/1p2p3/p4p2/Pb1Pp3/2B3PP/1P3P2/5K2 w - -  am Bxb4; id "E_E_T 26b -  L vs L";
8/1k6/8/Q7/7p/6p1/6pr/6Kb w - - bm Qc5; id "E_E_T 70b - D vs T&L&B";

Werner
Parent - - By Eelco de Groot Date 2009-08-25 21:31
Hallo Benno,

Here are some suitable positions collected from the CCC archives a long time ago, posted by Sarah. But for accurate testing, in my opinion it would be better to just collect a very large set of positions. For statistical reasons, and in that case there is also not much need that the positions are balanced, as long as you have enough positions. Of course you would have to let any engine play both White and Black in each position.

Regards,
Eelco

 
Posted by Chessfun (Profile) on February 07, 2006 at 20:09:56:

These are the positions currently being looked at by the CCRL. These positions
go back to a previous debate at CCC with a lot of the positions suggested by
Sune. The first 9 are from GM Nunns endgame test with one position removed. The
other 11 positions were at various times posted at CCC and some were tested
previously here.

The positions would be used for playing the 11 top engines in CCRL's Pure list
at 4040 AMD 64 3800+ equal, all play all 20 times White, 20 times Black.

Engines would all have accesss to complete 5 person tablebases and for engines
that don't use them the next counterpart of that engine may be tried at a later
date.

All games would be run as engine matches.

       






































  

Thoughts and comments on these positions is welcome.

Sarah
Parent - By Eelco de Groot Date 2009-08-25 22:02
Sune Larsson posted earlier details about these same positions as far as I can see, useful information what to expect from your engine if you are doing tests, using these positions.

Eelco


Posted by Sune Larsson (Profile) on December 28, 2005 at 10:48:47:

The first 9 are, as far as I know, rather balanced - the Nunn endings:

8/1ppr1kp1/p1p4p/8/8/5P2/PPP1RKPP/8 w - - 0 1
8/1pk3pp/p7/3p1p2/3K4/6P1/PP2PP1P/8 b - - 0 1
8/4k3/r4pp1/pR6/P4KP1/5P2/8/8 w - - 0 1
8/p1p1k3/1p1p2p1/3Pq2p/2P1P3/1P3QPK/P7/8 w - - 0 1
8/p3ppk1/1p4pp/3nN3/6PP/1P3P2/P3PK2/8 w - - 0 1
7k/pp4pp/2n5/8/8/P7/1P4PP/2K1B3 b - - 0 1
8/8/p4Bp1/1pPb2P1/1P2kp2/P7/5K2/8 w - - 0 1
8/4k3/p1B4p/2K5/1P4bP/8/8/8 b - - 0 1
3R4/1p6/2b5/2P1k2p/p3p2P/P6r/1P2KB2/8 b - - 0 1

The following 11 are unbalanced positions to test the engines knowledge
about specific themes - not covered in the Nunn positions.

8/5b2/1k2p1p1/2NpP1P1/1K1P4/8/8/8 w - - 0 1

This one is about "good knight vs bad bishop" - a typical French position.
White is winning.

8/5p1k/r5pp/P7/3R3P/6P1/5PK1/8 w - - 0 1

This is a rook ending - theme "rook behind the pawn". White is winning.

4b3/5k2/4p1p1/3pP2p/2pP1P1P/2P5/6N1/2K5 w - - 0 1

Another "good knight vs bad bishop". White is winning.

8/1p1b2k1/p1p1p1p1/2P1P2p/1P3P1P/P2B4/5K2/8 w - - 0 1

"Good bishop vs bad bishop". White is winning.

6k1/2p3np/1p1p2p1/3P4/1PPK1R2/6PB/7P/4r3 w - - 0 1

"Giving up material for positional advantage". R+B vs R+Kn. White wins.

1n6/4k2p/p3ppp1/1pPp4/3P1PP1/3NP3/P3K2P/8 w - - 0 1

Knight ending - white is winning. Maybe too easy?

3r4/7p/Rp4k1/5p2/4p3/2P5/PP3P1P/5K2 b - - 0 1

"Activity in rook ending". Black can draw this one.

8/4k3/1p2b1pp/p1p1p3/P1P1P3/1P3P1P/5KB1/8 b - - 0 37

"Good bishop vs bad bishop". Black is winning. Maybe too easy?

2r5/1p1k1p2/p2p2p1/P1PPnp1p/1P1K1N1P/5P2/4R1P1/8 w - - 0 1

R+Kn vs R+Kn - "Giving up material for positional advantage". White wins.

8/6b1/4k2p/p1p1p1p1/2P1K1P1/PP3N1P/8/8 w - - 0 1

"Good knight vs bad bishop". White wins.

2r3k1/4pp1p/3p2p1/p2R4/1r6/1P4P1/P3PP1P/R5K1 b - - 0 1

Double rook ending. Black should have good chances of winning this.

/S

Parent - By Gerhard Josten Date 2009-08-27 17:27
Hallo!
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