Dragon 2

By Eduard Nemeth Date 2021-05-04 19:01 Edited 2021-05-04 19:19 Upvotes 1

Für alle die Dragon 1 gekauft haben sollte er kostenlos sein, oder (ansonsten ist er arg teuer finde ich, da im normalem Modus es kaum/keine Steigerung gibt - nur im MCTS Modus)? Wer nur Dragon 1 ohne Updates gekauft hat müsste weitere 75 Dollar hinblättern, also 75+75 Dollars in nur 7 Monaten für Dragon 1 plus Dragon 2.

https://komodochess.com/dragon-2.htm

Vom Server (Dragon gegen Spider):

[Event "Tuesday 4 May Blitz, 3+0, 19 ROUNDS"]
[Site "Machines A"]
[Date "2021.05.04"]
[Round "14"]
[White "C K, Dragon by Komodo Chess 2"]
[Black "I ALEKCS I, Spider 1.1b 64 AVX2 "]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2661"]
[BlackElo "2712"]
[PlyCount "220"]
[EventDate "2021.05.04"]
[EventType "swiss (blitz)"]

1. e4 {B 0} e5 {B 0} 2. Nf3 {B 0} Nc6 {B 0} 3. Bb5 {B 0} Nf6 {B 0} 4. O-O {B 0}
Nxe4 {B 0} 5. Re1 {B 0} Nd6 {B 0} 6. Nxe5 {B 0} Be7 {B 0} 7. Bf1 {B 0} Nxe5 {
B 0} 8. Rxe5 {B 0} O-O {B 0} 9. d4 {B 0} Bf6 {B 0} 10. Re1 {B 0} Re8 {B 0} 11.
Bf4 {B 0} Rxe1 {B 0} 12. Qxe1 {B 0} Ne8 {B 0} 13. c3 {B 0} d5 {B 0} 14. Bd3 {
B 0} g6 {B 0} 15. Nd2 {B 0} Ng7 {B 0} 16. Nf3 {B 0} c6 {B 0} 17. Bh6 {B 0} Qc7
{B 0} 18. Qd2 {0.27/26 15} Bg4 {B 0 (Le6)} 19. Bf4 {0.23/25 12} Qc8 {B 0} 20.
Ne5 {0.24/25 4} Bf5 {B 0} 21. Be2 {0.18/27 29} Qe6 {B 0} 22. h3 {0.18/25 7} h5
{B 0} 23. Re1 {0.22/25 2} Re8 {B 0} 24. Bd1 {0.16/24 5} Qc8 {B 0} 25. Bh6 {
0.19/22 3} a6 {0.01/0 0 (h4)} 26. Re3 {0.13/21 5} h4 {0.05/28 3 (a5)} 27. Kf1 {
0.09/21 5 (a4)} a5 {0.00/33 7 (Dd8)} 28. Bf3 {0.06/24 19 (Kg1)} Qd8 {0.00/29 4}
29. Re1 {0.10/24 0 (Bg4)} Re6 {0.00/34 2} 30. Be2 {0.00/25 13 (Bg4)} Ne8 {
0.00/39 3} 31. Bf4 {0.00/24 0 (Bg4)} Nd6 {0.00/38 14} 32. Qc1 {0.00/26 0 (Bg4)}
a4 {0.00/33 6 (Le7)} 33. Be3 {0.00/24 2 (Kg1)} Qe8 {-0.12/31 4 (Se4)} 34. Bf4 {
0.00/23 4} Bd8 {-0.01/35 0 (Se4)} 35. Ng4 {0.00/27 2} Rxe2 {0.00/35 2} 36. Rxe2
{0.00/32 0} Bd3 {-0.03/39 3} 37. Qd2 {0.00/35 0} Qxe2+ {0.00/41 6} 38. Qxe2 {
0.00/40 0} Bxe2+ {-0.01/41 1} 39. Kxe2 {0.00/41 1} Nc4 {0.00/45 3} 40. b3 {
0.00/41 3 (Bc1)} axb3 {0.00/37 2} 41. axb3 {0.00/41 0} Na5 {0.00/42 2} 42. b4 {
0.00/40 0} Nc4 {0.00/42 2} 43. Kd3 {0.00/40 4} Kg7 {0.00/46 0 (Le7)} 44. Bh6+ {
0.00/38 2 (Ne3)} Kh7 {0.00/43 6 (Kg8)} 45. Bf4 {0.00/39 2} Na3 {0.00/45 0 (Kg7)
} 46. Ne3 {0.00/34 1} Be7 {0.00/48 0} 47. g4 {0.00/36 1 (Nc2)} hxg3 {0.00/34 2}
48. fxg3 {0.00/39 0} Kg7 {0.00/41 2} 49. g4 {0.00/37 0} Kf8 {0.00/44 2} 50. Bb8
{0.00/41 0 (Bg3)} Bg5 {0.00/42 2} 51. Ng2 {0.00/43 0} Nc4 {0.00/42 2} 52. h4 {
0.00/44 0} Be7 {0.00/44 1} 53. Bf4 {0.00/37 0 (Bg3)} Kg7 {0.00/46 2 (Sa3)} 54.
Ke2 {0.00/40 2} Bd6 {0.00/41 0 (Sd6)} 55. b5 {0.00/33 2} Be7 {0.00/44 0} 56.
bxc6 {0.00/35 1} bxc6 {0.00/48 1} 57. Kd3 {0.00/35 1} Bd8 {0.00/45 1} 58. Bc1 {
0.00/43 0 (Ke2)} Nd6 {0.00/50 2 (Le7)} 59. h5 {0.00/35 1 (Bf4)} Nc4 {0.00/35 2}
60. hxg6 {0.00/41 0 (Ke2)} Kxg6 {0.00/47 2} 61. Nf4+ {0.00/52 0} Kg7 {0.00/41 0
} 62. Ng2 {0.00/55 0 (Ke2)} Kg6 {0.00/37 1} 63. Nf4+ {0.00/57 0} Kg7 {0.00/46 1
} 64. Ng2 {0.00/60 0 (Kc2)} Kf6 {0.00/41 1 (Kg6)} 65. Bf4 {0.00/39 1 (Ke2)} Be7
{0.00/48 1 (Kg6)} 66. Ne3 {0.00/48 1 (Bc1)} Nxe3 {0.00/55 1} 67. Kxe3 {0.00/57
0 (Bxe3)} Kg6 {0.00/53 1} 68. Bg3 {0.00/62 0 (Kd3)} Kg5 {0.00/58 1 (Lg5+)} 69.
Kf3 {0.00/61 1} Kh6 {0.00/60 0 (La3)} 70. Ke2 {0.00/60 1 (Bf4+)} Kg6 {0.00/63
2 (Kg5)} 71. Bf4 {0.00/66 1 (Kf3)} Bf6 {0.00/65 1 (Lg5)} 72. Kd3 {0.00/55 1
(Kf3)} Bg5 {0.00/55 1} 73. Bd6 {0.00/57 0 (Bg3)} Bd8 {0.00/51 1 (f5)} 74. Bf4 {
0.00/58 4} Bg5 {0.00/61 0} 75. Bd6 {0.00/60 2} Bd8 {0.00/61 0 (f5)} 76. Bf4 {
0.00/65 1} Ba5 {0.00/63 2 (Lg5)} 77. Bd2 {0.00/51 1 (c4)} Kf6 {0.00/57 2 (Ld8)}
78. Bf4 {0.00/53 1 (Kc2)} Bd8 {0.00/57 1 (Kg6)} 79. c4 {0.00/39 1 (Kc2)} Be7 {
0.00/51 1 (La5)} 80. cxd5 {0.00/49 0 (Be3)} cxd5 {0.00/61 1} 81. Ke2 {0.00/64
0 (Kc2)} Ke6 {0.00/64 1} 82. Bc7 {0.00/68 0 (Kd3)} Bh4 {0.00/57 1 (Lg5)} 83.
Be5 {0.00/66 0 (Ke3)} Bg5 {0.00/53 0 (Lf6)} 84. Bc7 {0.00/51 0} Bf6 {0.00/66 0
(f6)} 85. Ke3 {0.00/62 0} Bg5+ {0.00/60 0} 86. Bf4 {0.00/87 0 (Ke2)} Bd8 {
0.00/54 0 (Lxf4+)} 87. Kf3 {0.00/58 0} Kd7 {0.00/62 0 (Kf6)} 88. g5 {0.00/40 0
(Bg3)} Ke6 {0.00/53 1 (Le7)} 89. Kg4 {0.00/58 0} Ba5 {0.00/66 0} 90. Bg3 {
0.00/69 0 (Be5)} Bd2 {0.00/61 1} 91. Bc7 {0.00/75 0 (Bb8)} Bc3 {0.00/55 1 (Le1)
} 92. Be5 {0.00/63 0} Bd2 {0.00/69 0 (Lb2)} 93. Bc7 {0.00/78 1 (Bf4)} Bc1 {
0.00/66 1 (Le1)} 94. Bh2 {0.00/56 0 (Bf4)} Be3 {0.00/60 1 (Lb2)} 95. Be5 {
0.00/67 0} Bc1 {0.00/85 0 (Lf2)} 96. Bf4 {0.00/69 0} f5+ {0.00/85 0 (Lxf4)} 97.
gxf6 {0.00/37 0} Bxf4 {0.00/129 0} 98. Kxf4 {0/1 0} Kxf6 {0.00/1 0} 99. Ke3 {
0/0 0} Ke6 {0} 100. Kd2 {0/0 0} Kf5 {0} 101. Kd1 {0/0 0} Ke4 {0} 102. Ke2 {
0/0 0} Kxd4 {0} 103. Kd2 {0/1 0} Kc4 {0} 104. Kc2 {0/1 0} d4 {0} 105. Kd2 {
0/1 0} d3 {0} 106. Kd1 {0/1 0} Kc3 {0} 107. Kc1 {0/1 0} Kd4 {0} 108. Kd1 {0/0 0
} Kc3 {0} 109. Kc1 {0/1 0} Kd4 {0} 110. Kd1 {0/0 0} Kc3 {0 (Lag: Av=0.80s,
max=2.2s)} 1/2-1/2

By Benno Hartwig Date 2021-05-04 20:09 Edited 2021-05-04 20:11

> Wer nur Dragon 1 ohne Updates gekauft hat müsste weitere 75 Dollar hinblättern, also 75+75 Dollars in nur 7 Monaten für Dragon 1 plus Dragon 2.

Und wer 120 Dollar ausgab, kann beide Versionen erhalten.
Genau das sind ja eben die Komodo-Kaufvarianten.

Ob Komodo dieses Geld wert ist, muss dann jeder für sich entscheiden.
Dass man nun die subscription-Leistung für die "kleinen" 75 Doller erhalten kann, war ja nicht wirklich zu erwarten, oder?

Aber nun bin ich gespannt, was der Dragon-2 zu leisten vermag.

By Eduard Nemeth Date 2021-05-04 20:35 Edited 2021-05-04 20:38

"Although Dragon 2 is only slightly stronger than the initial dragon version in standard mode". Das aber ist der wichtigere Modus. Seit 7 Monaten also keine nennenswerte Verbesserung. Da kaufe man lieber garnichts. Statt näher an Stockfish heran, ist man hier vermutlich nun weiter entfernt.

By Max Siegfried Date 2021-05-04 21:29

Eduard Nemeth schrieb:

Gibt es da wenigstens eine Version vom Dragon 2 für Apple M1 Chips?

By Eduard Nemeth Date 2021-05-04 21:36

Compatable GUIs

Chessbase
Fritz
Aquarium
Chess Assistant
Hiarcs Chess Explorer
Shredder (Classic)
Arena
Tarrash
System requirements

Minimum: 64-bit processor, Pentium 4 F-series, 1024 MB ram

Recommended: Processor with AVX2 strongly recommended (most computers since 2013 have this). No need for GPU.

Operating system: Windows, Linux, Mac OSX 10.7 or higher (Android version available only from Google).

By Benno Hartwig Date 2021-05-04 21:45 Upvotes 2

> Da kaufe man lieber garnichts.

Da magst du Recht haben.
Ich glaube, wenn hier jetzt jemand kauft, obwohl er Dragon 1 schon hat, dann vieleicht weil er einfach das Komodo-Projekt unterstützen möchte.
Und das wäre ja auch ein sehr ehrenwertes Motiv.

By Benno Hartwig Date 2021-05-04 23:41 Edited 2021-05-04 23:44

> Wer nur Dragon 1 ohne Updates gekauft hat müsste weitere 75 Dollar hinblättern

Hier las ich:

Note to people who purchased Komodo 13 or a later version on komodochess.com:
Thanks for your continued support. You get a 20% discount.

Immerhin diese 20% wird jetzt wohl auch der Dragon-1-Besitzer sparen können.
Immerhin also 15 Dollar.

BTW:
Spielt hier das Thema "Zölle" ggf. auch noch irgendwie eine Rolle???

By Lothar Jung Date 2021-05-05 07:47

Ja klar, Einfuhrzoll von 19 %.

By Marco Zerbinati Date 2021-05-05 11:30 Upvotes 1

On the playchess server he has time management issues, I have lost several games at 3m and 5m
I tried several parameter tunings:
-Overhead ms
-Time Usage
but no one has solved it.
So I will give up using it online.

By Eduard Nemeth Date 2021-05-05 11:58

Dear Marco,
you can ask Erdo (ChessTurk) on the server. He knows what can be better adjusted.

By Marco Zerbinati Date 2021-05-05 12:10

Eduard Nemeth schrieb:

Dear Marco,
you can ask Erdo (ChessTurk) on the server. He knows what can be better adjusted.

Hi Eduard,
I talked to Erdogan but I have not solved it, I have problems with the GUI chessbase for compatibility with the 128 Threads of my system, it cannot be excluded that the problem is the GUI 16
Now I am trying the FatFritz2 GUI