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Up Topic Hauptforen / CSS-Forum / Thüringen 2009: Ergebnisse Runde 7, Auslosung Runde 8
- - By Timo Haupt Date 2009-05-01 20:10 Edited 2009-05-01 21:03
Ergebnisse Runde 7:

No  Name                Result    Name         

1  Rybka,  (1)           0:1     Shredder,  (5)
2  Zappa,  (4)           1:0     Sjeng,  (11) 
3  Spike,  (16)          1:0     Junior,  (15)
4  Naum,  (2)            0:1     Hiarcs,  (7) 
5  Glaurung,  (12)      .5:.5    Loop,  (17)  
6  Grapefruit,  (14)    .5:.5    Bright,  (10)
7  Thinker,  (6)         0:1     Fruit,  (9)  
8  Stockfish,  (8)      .5:.5    Fritz,  (3)  
9  Cyclone,  (13)        1:0     Jonny,  (18) 


Tabellenstand:

Place  Name          Feder  Rtg   Loc  Score  Buch.  Berg.  Wins

  1    Zappa,               2970       6       28.0  23.75     5
2-4    Shredder,            2960       5       29.0  19.50     4
       Spike,               2860       5       28.5  19.50     4
       Rybka,               3000       5       28.5  17.50     5
5-6    Sjeng,               2910       4       26.5  11.50     3
       Hiarcs,              2940       4       26.5  11.25     3
7-9    Cyclone,             2890       3.5     25.0   9.25     2
       Junior,              2870       3.5     24.5  10.25     3
       Loop,                2850       3.5     23.5  10.00     1
10-14  Naum,                2990       3       26.0  10.00     1
       Grapefruit,          2880       3       25.0   9.00     1
       Fritz,               2980       3       22.5   7.75     1
       Bright,              2920       3       21.0   7.50     1
       Fruit,               2925       3       19.0   7.50     1
15-16  Thinker,             2950       2.5     24.0   8.25     1
       Glaurung,            2900       2.5     19.5   6.00     1
17     Stockfish,           2930       2       22.5   4.75     1
18     Jonny,               2840       1.5     21.5   4.25     0


Auslosung Runde 8:

No  Name             Result    Name            

1  Spike,  (16)        :      Zappa,  (4)     
2  Hiarcs,  (7)        :      Rybka,  (1)     
3  Shredder,  (5)      :      Cyclone,  (13)  
4  Sjeng,  (11)        :      Loop,  (17)     
5  Junior,  (15)       :      Grapefruit,  (14)
6  Fritz,  (3)         :      Bright,  (10)   
7  Fruit,  (9)         :      Stockfish,  (8) 
8  Jonny,  (18)        :      Naum,  (2)      
9  Thinker,  (6)       :      Glaurung,  (12) 


Gruß
Timo
Parent - - By Werner Schüle Date 2009-05-01 21:51
Danke Timo,
und viel Glück - drück dir die Daumen!

Werner
Parent - - By Eduard Nemeth Date 2009-05-02 09:21
Die heißen Duelle haben soeben begonnen, und können auf Schach.de im Übertragungsraum live gesehen werden! Beim Spiel zwischen Hiarcs und Rybka gibt es sogar ein LIVE-Video!

Die ersten Züge:

[Event "Thueringen 2009"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Hiarcs 12.206new MP"]
[Black "Rybka 3"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Erdo"]
[PlyCount "28"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3
Bb7 9. O-O a6 10. e4 c5 11. d5 Qc7 12. dxe6 fxe6 13. Qe2 c4 14. Bc2 Bd6 *

[Event "Thüringen 2009"]
[Site "Triebes"]
[Date "2009.05.02"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Deep Shredder 11.37"]
[Black "Cyclone 3.4 mp"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Mapi"]
[PlyCount "28"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]

1. d4 {Buch 0s} d5 {6s (Sf6)} 2. c4 {Buch 0s} c6 {4s (e6)} 3. Nf3 {Buch 0s} Nf6
{4s (e6)} 4. cxd5 {Buch 0s} cxd5 {5s} 5. Nc3 {Buch 0s} Nc6 {4s} 6. Bf4 {Buch 0s
} a6 {4s (Lf5)} 7. Rc1 {Buch 0s} Bf5 {5s (Se4)} 8. e3 {Buch 0s} Rc8 {5s} 9. Be2
{Buch 0s} e6 {5s} 10. O-O {Buch 0s} Bd6 {4s} 11. Bxd6 {Buch 0s} Qxd6 {3s} 12.
Na4 {Buch 0s} O-O {5s} 13. Nc5 {Buch 0s} Rc7 {0.28/21 4:02m} 14. a3 {Buch 0s}
Bg4 {0.10/21 7:24m (Tfc8)} *

[Event "Thueringen 2009"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "DeepJunior UCI Thueringen 09"]
[Black "Grapefruit 1.0 CM64"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "HFaber"]
[PlyCount "0"]

*
Parent - - By Eduard Nemeth Date 2009-05-02 09:36
[Event "Thüringen 2009"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.05.02"]
[Round "8"]
[White "SpikeMP 1.3"]
[Black "Zappa Mexico II"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "40"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3
d6 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 Re8 11. Nbd2 Bf8 12. a4 h6 13. Bc2 exd4 14. cxd4 Nb4 15.
Bb1 c5 16. d5 Nd7 17. Ra3 c4 18. Ree3 Nc5 19. axb5 axb5 20. b3 c3 *

[Event "Thueringen 2009"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "DeepSjeng 3.X"]
[Black "LoopMP12.32"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Chessfurby"]
[PlyCount "19"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 a6 5. Nc3 b5 6. Bd3 Bb7 7. O-O Nc6 8.
Nxc6 Bxc6 9. Re1 Ne7 10. Be3 *

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.05.02"]
[Round "8"]
[White "DeepJunior UCI Thueringen 09"]
[Black "Grapefruit 1.0 CM64"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Faber, Harald"]
[PlyCount "38"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5
8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. Nc3 Ne7 10. h3 h6 11. Be3 Ng6 12. Rad1+ Ke8 13. a3 Be7 14.
Rfe1 h5 15. Nd4 h4 16. f4 Rh5 17. Ne4 Bd7 {
+0.56/18 - First move out of book from black.} 18. c4 Rd8 {+0.46/19} 19. b4 {
+0.39/21} Ra8 {+0.46/18} *

Diese 5 Partien kann man alle LIVE auf Schach.de verfolgen (im Übertragungsraum, Zugang als Guest genügt)!
Parent - By Eduard Nemeth Date 2009-05-02 13:13
Hier noch meine letzte Message zu Thüringen 2009, danach bin ich nicht mehr live dabei (zB. bei der letzten Runde). Soeben sieht es so aus bei den Partien die übertragen werden:

[Event "Thüringen 2009"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.05.02"]
[Round "8"]
[White "DeepJunior UCI Thueringen 09"]
[Black "Grapefruit 1.0 CM64"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "Faber, Harald"]
[PlyCount "134"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5
8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. Nc3 Ne7 10. h3 h6 11. Be3 Ng6 12. Rad1+ Ke8 13. a3 Be7 14.
Rfe1 h5 15. Nd4 h4 16. f4 Rh5 17. Ne4 Bd7 {
+0.56/18 - First move out of book from black.} 18. c4 Rd8 {+0.46/19} 19. b4 {
+0.39/21 - First white move out of book} Ra8 {+0.46/18} 20. Bc1 {+0.53/21} a5 {
+0.38/20} 21. f5 $6 {+0.32/22} Nxe5 {+0.32/19} 22. Nc5 {+0.25/22} f6 {+0.34/20}
23. Nxd7 {+0.19/21} Kxd7 {+0.19/19} 24. Ne6+ {+0.19/22} Kc8 {+0.20/20} 25. b5 {
+0.10/23} cxb5 {+0.19/21} 26. cxb5 {+0.37/20} a4 {+0.16/20} 27. Re4 {+0.30/21}
Ra5 {+0.14/20} 28. Be3 {+0.23/22} b6 {+0.18/20} 29. Rc1 {+0.44/24} Bd6 {
+0.49/20} 30. Bxb6 {+0.40/23} Rxb5 {+0.57/19} 31. Bxc7 {+0.40/22} Nd3 {+0.63/20
} 32. Bxd6+ {+0.21/21} Nxc1 {+0.62/20} 33. Nc5 {+0.33/21} Rxc5 {+0.32/22} 34.
Bxc5 {+0.63/23} Rxf5 {+0.21/22} 35. Bf8 {+0.18/24} Rf4 {+0.16/26} 36. Rxf4 {
+0.17/25} Ne2+ {+0.16/28} 37. Kf2 {+0.23/33} Nxf4 {+0.15/25} 38. Bxg7 {+0.23/32
} Nd5 {+0.19/30} 39. Bh6 {+0.23/27} Kd7 {+0.14/31} 40. Kf3 {+0.34/35} f5 {
+0.14/30} 41. Ke2 {+0.19/33} Ke6 {+0.04/24} 42. Bg5 {+0.03/31} Nc3+ {0.00/28}
43. Kf3 {-0.02/33} Nb5 {0.00/27} 44. Bc1 {-0.02/32} Nd4+ {0.00/28} 45. Ke3 {
-0.13/34} Kd5 {0.00/30} 46. Bb2 {-0.13/32} Nc2+ {0.00/31} 47. Kd2 {-0.14/33}
Nd4 {0.00/31} 48. Kd3 {-0.14/33} Nb5 {0.00/31} 49. Bc1 {-0.14/32} Kc5 {0.00/31}
50. Bg5 {-0.08/31} Kd5 {0.00/29} 51. Be7 {-0.13/32} f4 {0.00/31} 52. Ke2 {
-0.14/30} Nd4+ {0.00/29} 53. Kf2 {0.00/32} Nc2 {0.00/31} 54. Kf3 {0.00/31} Ke5
{0.00/30} 55. Bxh4 {0.00/31} Nxa3 {0.00/28} 56. Bg5 {0.00/31} Nc4 {0.00/29} 57.
Bxf4+ {0.00/27} Kd5 {0.00/29} 58. Bh6 {0.00/28} a3 {0.00/27} 59. Bg7 {0.00/32}
a2 {0.00/27} 60. Kf4 {0.00/29} Nd2 {0.00/27} 61. Bb2 {0.00/34} Ke6 {0.00/29}
62. g4 {0.00/36} Nb3 {0.00/29} 63. Kg5 {0.00/39} Kf7 {0.00/30} 64. h4 {0.00/39}
Kg8 {0.00/25} 65. Kf5 {0.00/40} a1=Q {0.00/29} 66. Bxa1 {0.00/30} Nxa1 {0.00/30
} 67. Kf6 {0.00/1} Nc2 {0.00/1} 1/2-1/2

[Event "Thüringen 2009"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.05.02"]
[Round "8"]
[White "SpikeMP 1.3"]
[Black "Zappa Mexico II"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "109"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3
d6 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 Re8 11. Nbd2 Bf8 12. a4 h6 13. Bc2 exd4 14. cxd4 Nb4 15.
Bb1 c5 16. d5 Nd7 17. Ra3 c4 18. Ree3 Nc5 19. axb5 axb5 20. b3 c3 21. Rxc3 f5
22. Rxa8 Qxa8 23. Nd4 Qa1 24. Nxb5 Ba6 25. Rxc5 dxc5 26. Nc7 Rd8 27. Nxa6 Qxa6
28. Nc4 fxe4 29. Bxe4 Qa1 30. d6 Bxd6 31. Nxd6 Qf6 {
Zappa hopes for Bd5+, Kh7, Be4+ with 0.00} 32. Be3 Rxd6 33. Qf3 Qxf3 34. Bxf3
Nd3 35. Kf1 {Spike pushs forward: 0.31 (d=21), Zappa: -0.17 (d=21)} Rd8 36. Ke2
Ne5 (36... g5 $5 {would have been interesting}) 37. Be4 Nd7 38. Bf5 Kf7 39.
Bxd7 Rxd7 40. Bxc5 Ke6 41. h4 h5 42. b4 Kf5 43. Ke3 Rd1 44. Bd4 g6 45. b5 Rb1
46. b6 Rb3+ 47. Kd2 Ke4 48. Kc2 Rb4 49. Be3 Kd5 50. g3 Rb5 51. Kd3 Rb3+ 52. Kc2
Kc4 53. Kd2 Rb2+ 54. Kc1 Rb5 55. Kd2 *

Das wird Remis!

[Event "Thüringen 2009"]
[Site "Triebes"]
[Date "2009.05.02"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Deep Shredder 11.37"]
[Black "Cyclone 3.4 mp"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "Mapi"]
[PlyCount "141"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]

1. d4 {Buch 0s} d5 {6s (Sf6)} 2. c4 {Buch 0s} c6 {4s (e6)} 3. Nf3 {Buch 0s} Nf6
{4s (e6)} 4. cxd5 {Buch 0s} cxd5 {5s} 5. Nc3 {Buch 0s} Nc6 {4s} 6. Bf4 {Buch 0s
} a6 {4s (Lf5)} 7. Rc1 {Buch 0s} Bf5 {5s (Se4)} 8. e3 {Buch 0s} Rc8 {5s} 9. Be2
{Buch 0s} e6 {5s} 10. O-O {Buch 0s} Bd6 {4s} 11. Bxd6 {Buch 0s} Qxd6 {3s} 12.
Na4 {Buch 0s} O-O {5s} 13. Nc5 {Buch 0s} Rc7 {0.28/21 4:02m} 14. a3 {Buch 0s}
Bg4 {0.10/21 7:24m (Tfc8)} 15. Rc3 {+0.15/20 7:26m} Qe7 {+0.16/21 14:53m (Lxf3)
} 16. Qc2 {+0.07/22 5:30m} Na7 {+0.16/22 19s} 17. Ne5 {+0.05/23 4:36m} Bxe2 {
+0.02/24 4:08m} 18. Qxe2 {+0.01/25 0s} Rfc8 {0.06/22 2:41m} 19. Rfc1 {
0.00/23 28s} b6 {0.00/25 4:16m} 20. Na4 {+0.04/23 0s} Ne4 {0.00/24 3:27m} 21.
Rxc7 {0.00/23 0s} Rxc7 {+0.01/23 4:44m} 22. Qe1 {+0.02/23 5s} Rxc1 {
0.00/24 3:57m (Dd8)} 23. Qxc1 {+0.03/20 5s} Qb7 {0.00/22 3:39m} 24. h4 {
+0.07/23 0s} Nd6 {0.04/22 7:33m} 25. h5 {+0.10/24 0s} Nac8 {0.02/20 3:25m (a5)}
26. Qc6 {+0.10/24 3:46m} Qxc6 {0.00/29 3:23m} 27. Nxc6 {0.00/27 0s} Nc4 {
0.00/28 3:28m (a5)} 28. Ne5 {+0.11/26 5:43m} Kf8 {0.00/26 5:03m (b5)} 29. Kf1 {
+0.10/26 2:31m} f6 {-0.05/27 16s (Sxe5)} 30. Nxc4 {+0.28/25 1:22m} dxc4 {
0.00/24 1:13m} 31. Ke2 {+0.16/23 2s} Ke7 {0.00/27 1:53m} 32. g4 {+0.35/23 1:40m
} Kd6 {0.00/26 2:32m (e5)} 33. e4 {+0.24/26 2:41m} Kc6 {0.00/26 6s} 34. Ke3 {
+0.26/25 3:06m} Ne7 {0.00/26 28s} 35. Kf4 {+0.14/26 4:52m} a5 {0.00/26 7s} 36.
Ke3 {+0.22/26 4:48m} g6 {0.09/25 3s} 37. f3 {+0.05/26 2:30m} gxh5 {
0.00/27 1:06m} 38. gxh5 {0.00/27 0s} h6 {0.00/28 2:55m} 39. Kd2 {+0.02/27 1:38m
} Nc8 {+0.01/27 1:05m} 40. Nc3 {+0.31/28 8:16m} b5 {0.39/28 8s} 41. Ne2 {
+0.28/27 2:13m} b4 {+0.16/25 4:13m (Sd6)} 42. axb4 {0.00/27 1:58m} axb4 {
+0.15/27 2:41m} 43. Nf4 {0.00/29 0s} Kd6 {0.08/27 3:26m (e5)} 44. Ng2 {
+0.12/27 2:11m} Ke7 {0.00/27 2:23m} 45. Ne3 {+0.01/29 0s} Nd6 {0.00/27 2:17m}
46. Nc2 {+0.01/29 24s} f5 {0.00/29 2:12m (Sb5)} 47. e5 {+0.04/29 1:54m} Nb5 {
0.00/32 9s} 48. Nxb4 {+0.01/33 1:53m} Nxd4 {0.00/33 1:04m} 49. Ke3 {+0.01/33 0s
} Nb3 {0.00/34 1:48m (Sb5)} 50. Nc2 {0.00/33 1:58m} Kd7 {0.00/34 32s} 51. Na3 {
0.00/31 0s} Kc6 {0.00/32 1:52m} 52. Nxc4 {0.00/33 0s} Kd5 {0.00/32 1:20m} 53.
Kd3 {0.00/31 0s} Nc1+ {0.00/30 1:57m} 54. Kd2 {0.00/31 3s} Nb3+ {0.00/31 1:32m}
55. Kc3 {+0.01/31 1:29m} Nc1 {2:05m} 56. Nb6+ {+0.01/30 3s} Kxe5 {1:16m} 57.
Nc4+ {0.00/29 1:26m} Kd5 {21s (Kf4)} 58. Ne3+ {0.00/30 1:23m} Ke5 {15s (Kd6)}
59. b4 {0.00/29 1:19m} Ne2+ {1:40m} 60. Kc4 {0.00/30 0s} Nd4 {1:44m (Kd6)} 61.
b5 {+0.01/30 1:35m} Nxb5 {1:34m} 62. Kxb5 {+0.01/35 1s} Kf4 {56s} 63. Nc4 {
+0.01/35 0s} Kxf3 {1:31m} 64. Kc5 {+0.01/36 4s} Kg4 {1:21m} 65. Kd6 {
+0.01/42 1s} Kxh5 {1:03m} 66. Ne5 {0.00/30 0s} f4 {10s (Kg5)} 67. Kxe6 {
0.00/24 5s} Kh4 {9s (Kg5)} 68. Kf6 {0.00/22 2s} Kg3 {8s} 69. Kg6 {0.00/28 0s}
f3 {4s (h5)} 70. Nxf3 {0.00/26 3s} Kxf3 {4s} 71. Kxh6 {0.00/4 0s} 1/2-1/2

[Event "Thüringen 2009"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "DeepSjeng 3.X"]
[Black "LoopMP12.32"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Annotator "Chessfurby"]
[PlyCount "103"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 a6 5. Nc3 b5 6. Bd3 Bb7 7. O-O Nc6 8.
Nxc6 Bxc6 9. Re1 Ne7 10. Be3 Ng6 11. a4 b4 12. Nd5 Bd6 13. a5 O-O 14. Nb6 Rb8
15. Bxa6 Qc7 16. g3 Bxe4 17. Bf4 Bxf4 18. Rxe4 Be5 19. Rxb4 d5 20. Bf1 Bd6 21.
Rb5 Ne5 22. b4 Qc6 23. c3 h5 24. Rc1 h4 25. f4 Ng6 26. Qd4 Ne7 27. Qf2 Rfd8 28.
Bd3 hxg3 29. hxg3 Nf5 30. Rc2 g6 31. g4 Ne7 32. Qd4 Qc7 33. Qf6 Bxf4 34. Rf2 e5
35. Rc5 Qd6 36. Qxd6 Rxd6 37. Rc7 Bg5 38. Nd7 Re8 39. Nxe5 Be3 40. Bb5 Rb8 41.
Rxe7 Rxb5 42. Nf3 Bxf2+ 43. Kxf2 Rb8 44. Rc7 Kf8 45. Ke3 Re8+ 46. Kd4 Rf6 47.
Ng5 Rf4+ 48. Kxd5 Rd8+ 49. Kc6 Rb8 50. Rxf7+ Rxf7 51. Nxf7 Kxf7 52. a6 1-0

[Event "Thüringen 2009"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Hiarcs 12.206new MP"]
[Black "Rybka 3"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Erdo"]
[PlyCount "96"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3
Bb7 9. O-O a6 10. e4 c5 11. d5 Qc7 12. dxe6 fxe6 13. Qe2 c4 14. Bc2 Bd6 15. Ng5
Nc5 16. f4 h6 17. e5 hxg5 18. Bg6+ Kf8 19. exd6 Qxd6 20. Qe5 Qc6 21. Qxg5 b4
22. Be3 Rc8 23. Nd1 Rh6 24. Qxc5+ Qxc5 25. Bxc5+ Rxc5 26. Bc2 a5 27. Ne3 c3 28.
Rab1 Ne4 29. Ng4 Nd2 30. Nxh6 Nxb1 31. Rxb1 gxh6 32. bxc3 Bd5 33. Bb3 Rxc3 34.
Rb2 Kg7 35. Bxd5 exd5 36. Rd2 a4 37. Kf1 a3 38. Ke2 h5 39. g3 Kf6 40. Kf2 Ke6
41. Ke2 Kd6 42. Kf2 Rc1 43. Ke3 Rb1 44. Kd3 b3 45. axb3 Rxb3+ 46. Kd4 Rb2 47.
Rd1 a2 48. Ra1 Rxh2 *

Rybka steht auf Gewinn.

Ich wünsche allen nun noch viel Spass bei der letzten Runde!
Zappa wird vermutlich (?) ein Remis genügen, aber wer weiß? Wer wird Thüringen 2009 gewinnen, Zappa oder Rybka?

bye,
Eduard
Parent - - By Dietmar Klinger Date 2009-05-02 09:56
Rybkas Niederlage gegen Shredder ist für mich keine Überraschung.
Ich hatte damit gerechnet. Schade nur das Shredder schon so viele Punkte unsinnig abgegeben hat.
Nun wird wohl Zappa seine Kreise ziehen womit allerdings auch zu Rechnen war.
Aber vielleicht passiert doch noch was - warten wir ab !

MFG Dietmar
Parent - By Eduard Nemeth Date 2009-05-02 13:18
[quote="Dietmar Klinger"]
Rybkas Niederlage gegen Shredder ist für mich keine Überraschung.
[/quote]

Im Nachhinein für mich nun auch nicht! Kompliment an SMK, der seine Engine offenbar deutlich verbessert hat!

[quote="Dietmar Klinger"]
Ich hatte damit gerechnet. Schade nur das Shredder schon so viele Punkte unsinnig abgegeben hat.
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Ja, am ersten und am zweiten Tag hat Shredder etwas unglücklich agiert, und so eine bessere Platzierung verpasst. Schade!

[quote="Dietmar Klinger"]
Nun wird wohl Zappa seine Kreise ziehen womit allerdings auch zu Rechnen war.
Aber vielleicht passiert doch noch was - warten wir ab !

MFG Dietmar
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JA.

MfG.
Eduard
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