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Up Topic Hauptforen / CSS-Forum / Engine-Test-Idee: Ultrakurz-Vorgabestellungen
- - By Stefan Pohl Date 2010-07-06 09:30
Hallo!

Habe hier die Diskussion um die Vorgabestellungen bzw. das geeignete Kurzbuch verfolgt und wollte dazu mal eine Idee beisteuern:

Ich teste seit neuestem mit Vorgabestellungen wo nur ein einziger Zug von beiden Seiten gemacht wurde, der zwar de facto sinnlos ist und ein Tempo verschenkt, es aber ermöglicht praktisch aus der Grundstellung heraus zu starten, aber mit 64 verschiedenen Stellungen. Ich habe mir eine Datenbank mit 64 Partien als Vorgabestellungen angelegt, die folgendermassen aussieht.

1.a3 a6
1.a3 b6
1.a3 c6
1.a3 d6
usw bis 1.a3 h6
1.b3 a6
1.b3 b6
1.b3 c6
usw bis 1.b3 h6
usw usw usw bis 1.h3 h6

Das ergibt logischerweise insgesamt 64 Stellungen. Mit vertauschten Farben wiederholt insgesamt 128 Partien, was wohl für jeden Einzelwettkampf ausreichen sollte. Da die Stellungen alle sehr ähnlich sind (logisch, das war ja auch der Sinn der Sache), kann man auch nur einen Teil nutzen, ohne die Ergebnisse zu verzerren (Bei Enginetests gegen mehrere Gegner sind ja 128 Partien pro Einzelvergleich etwas viel des Guten).

M.E. umschifft man so ein wesentliches Problem der bisherigen Vorgabestellungen bzw. neutralen Kurzbücher:

Bei jedweden sonstigen Vorgabeendstellungen (sei es nun eine Vorgabestellungssuite oder die Endstellungen der Kurzbücher) hat man nie einen repräsentativen Querschnitt durch alle Eröffnungssysteme und jede Engine mag nun mal bestimmte Eröffnungssysteme lieber als andere. Daraus folgt m.E. immer eine Bevorteilung/Benachteiligung einzelner Engines in den Engine-Engine-Tests. Mit der Kurzvorgabe hat man 64 fast-Grundstellungen: Jede Engine kann spielen wie sie will und sich aufbauen wie sie will. Und ist dann auch selbst schuld, wenn der Aufbau (für sie) nicht günstig ist.

In früheren Zeiten, als die Engines noch nicht so stark waren, haben sie sicher recht komische Eröffnungszüge gemacht, wenn man sie schon früh zum Rechnen zwang (oder gar die Brettcomputer...). Aber in der heutigen Zeit der 3000-Elo Hardware/Software-Kombinationspakete sollte eine Engine auch in der Lage sein, sich selbstständig halbwegs vernünftig aufzubauen. Und meine Ersteindrücken stützen diese These: Die resultierenden Partien sehen in den allermeisten Fällen ganz "normal" aus (von Zug 1 mal abgesehen...).

Solltet ihr mal probieren! So eine Datenbank mit den 64 1-Zug-Vorgabestellungen ist in wenigen Minuten erstellt. Vielleicht kann ja auch irgendjemand sie zum Download auf seiner Homepage bereitstellen?!? (Ich hab keine)

Gruß - S.Pohl
Parent - By Stefan Pohl Date 2010-07-06 09:42
Hello again,

Ich bring die Stellungen hier mal als PGN-File. Einfach per Drag und Drop in ein leeres Textfile kopieren, das eine .pgn-Endung hat, dann sollte der Import in die FritzGUI kein Problem sein. Glaub ich zumindest. Daß das Posting dadurch sehr lang ist wir mir hoffentlich ausnahmsweise nachgesehen... Deshalb hab die Daten auch nicht an meinen eigentlich Beitrag rangeklatscht, sondern ein Zweit-Posting genutzt.
Es geht bestimmt eleganter und einfacher, aber ich bin nicht der weltgrößte Internet-Auskenner, sorry dafür...

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{256MB, DFritz11.ctg, PRIVAT} 1. h3 h6 *
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