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- - By Walter Eigenmann Date 2010-01-07 01:21
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Der 56. "Brillant" ist dem bedeutenden englischen Schachstudien-Komponisten, Endspiele-Herausgeber
und Nightclub-Besitzer (!) Harold Lommer gewidmet, der 1904 als Sohn deutscher Eltern
in London geboren wurde und vor knapp 30 Jahren im spanischen Valencia starb.

Gruss: Walter

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Weiß zieht und gewinnt



8/6pp/1K6/N5P1/3N4/8/npn1P3/k7 w

Lösung: http://glareanverlag.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/der-brillante-schachzug-56_lommer_glarean-magazin/

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Parent - - By Peter Martan Date 2010-01-07 11:23
Hallo Walter, wieder eine sehr schöne Studie!
Deep Junior 2010 macht sich hier auch wieder sehr gut: (4x2,5Ghz, 1024Mb hash)

Analysis by Deep Junior 2010 win32 UCI:

1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.Sb3+ Kd1 4.Sb1 Kxe2 5.Kc5
  +/=  (0.44)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  1kN
...
1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.Sb3+ Kd1 4.e4 Sc3 5.e5 h5 6.gxh6 gxh6 7.e6 Sd5+ 8.Kc6 Sf6 9.e7 h5 10.Sc5
  +-  (1.47)   Tiefe: 23   00:00:17  129mN, tb=75
1.Sab3+
  +-  (1.89)   Tiefe: 23   00:00:20  146mN, tb=83
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h5 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Dg1+
  +/-  (1.40)   Tiefe: 25   00:01:23  650mN, tb=1198
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h5 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Dg1+
  +-  (4.28)   Tiefe: 26   00:02:44  1207mN, tb=4995

Ferner kann es noch Deep Fritz 10 innert weniger Minuten, mit bright 0.4a hatte ich ein lustiges Erlebnis: gleich nach dem Einschalten richtiger Lösungszug und Matt in 8- Anzeige, der gute hatte in der HV statt 2... h5 2... g6?, was zu diesem Abschneider ins Matt führt, ich hab ihm gezeigt, dass das so nicht geht nach 2... h5, hat er's eingesehen, seither ist er mir nicht mehr gelungen, das zu Reproduzieren auf Quad, schon schrullig, hmh?

Immerhin braucht er auch ohne diesen Irrtum nicht sehr lange:

Analysis by bright-0.4a:

1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.Sb3+ Kd1 4.e4 Sc1 5.Sd4 h6 6.gxh6 gxh6
  +/-  (0.81)   Tiefe: 6/16   00:00:00  12kN
...
1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.e4 Sb4 4.Kc5 Sd3+ 5.Kd6 Sf4 6.e5 h6 7.e6 Sg6 8.Sb3+ Kd1 9.Sc5 Kd2 10.Sd7 Sh4 11.Se5 Sf5+ 12.Kd7 hxg5 13.e7 Sxe7 14.Kxe7 Kc3 15.Kd6 Kb3 16.Sb1
  +-  (2.51)   Tiefe: 23/51   00:01:38  823mN
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h5 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Dg1+ Se1 11.Dg8 Kc2 12.Dxa8 b1D 13.Sa3+ Kxb3 14.Sxb1 Kb2
  +-  (7.08)   Tiefe: 23/55   00:02:16  1146mN
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h5 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Dg1+ Se1 11.Dg8 Kc2 12.Dxa8 b1D 13.Sa3+ Kxb3 14.Sxb1 Kb2 15.Dd5
  +-  (7.17)   Tiefe: 24/62   00:03:27  1683mN

Wieder eine gute Testposition zum Thema Nullzugverwendung.
Parent - - By Günter Müller Date 2010-01-07 11:53
Hallo

5729: Der brillante Schachzug (56)
8/6pp/1K6/N5P1/3N4/8/npn1P3/k7 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 12:

1.Nxc2+ Kb1 2.Na3+ Kc1 3.e4 Nb4 4.Nb3+ Kd1 5.Nc5 h5 6.gxh6 gxh6 7.e5 Nd5+ 8.Kb5 Nf4 9.Kc4 Kd2 10.Kd4 Ne2+ 11.Ke4 Nc3+ 12.Kf5 Nb5 13.Nc4+ Kc3 14.Nxb2 Kxb2 15.Kf6 Nd4
  +/-  (0.85)   Depth: 29/60   00:31:17  3343mN, tb=1024343

Fritz 12 findet die Lösung nur im MV Modus, dann aber bereits ab Tiefe = 17

Analysis by Fritz 12: (hier Tiefe = 22)

1. +-  (9.55): 1.Nab3+ Kb1 2.Nb5 h5 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8Q h1Q 9.Qg6 Qa8 10.Qg1+ Ne1 11.Qg8 Kc2 12.Qxa8 b1Q 13.Na3+ Kxb3
2. +/=  (0.65): 1.Nxc2+ Kb1 2.Na3+ Kc1 3.e4 Nb4 4.Kc5 Nd3+ 5.Kd4 Ne1 6.Kc3 Nf3 7.Nb3+ Kd1 8.Kxb2 Nxg5 9.e5 h5 10.Nc4 h4 11.Nd4 h3 12.Ne3+ Kd2 13.Ng4

dagegen ist Fritz 10 schneller am Ziel

Analysis by Fritz 10:

1.Nxc2+ Kb1 2.Na3+ Kc1 3.e4 Nc3 4.Nb3+ Kd1 5.e5 Nd5+ 6.Kc5 Nf4 7.Kd4 h6 8.gxh6 gxh6 9.Nc5 h5 10.Ke4 Ne2 11.e6 Nc3+ 12.Ke5 h4 13.e7
  +-  (1.41)   Depth: 18/43   00:00:22  42541kN
1.Nxc2+ Kb1 2.Na3+ Kc1 3.e4 Nc3 4.Nb3+ Kd1 5.e5 Nd5+ 6.Kc5 Nf4 7.Kd4 h6 8.gxh6 gxh6 9.Nc5 h5 10.Ke4 Ne2 11.e6 Nc3+ 12.Ke5
  +-  (1.41)   Depth: 19/43   00:00:50  94121kN
1.Nab3+
  +-  (1.42)   Depth: 19/43   00:01:00  114mN
1.Nab3+
  +-  (1.57)   Depth: 19/43   00:01:00  114mN
1.Nab3+
  +-  (1.89)   Depth: 19/43   00:01:00  115mN
1.Nab3+
  +-  (2.51)   Depth: 19/43   00:01:01  116mN
1.Nab3+ Kb1 2.Nb5 h5 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8Q h1Q 9.Qg6 Qa8 10.Qg1+ Ne1 11.Qg8 Kc2 12.Qxa8 b1Q 13.Na3+
  +-  (4.96)   Depth: 19/61   00:01:04  123mN
Parent - - By Peter Martan Date 2010-01-07 12:06
Hallo, danke für Fritz 12, hast du versucht, ihm den Nullzug abzudrehen? Kann man das überhaupt noch beim 12er?
Sehr ordentlich übrigens auch Deep Shredder 12 auf meinem obengenannten Quad:

Analysis by Deep Shredder 12 UCIP0:

1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.Sb3+ Kd1 4.Sb1 Kc2 5.S3d2 h5 6.gxh6 gxh6
  +/-  (0.84)   Tiefe: 6/6   00:00:00  5kN
...
1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.e4 Sb4 4.Sb3+ Kd1 5.Kc5 Sd3+ 6.Kd4 Se1 7.Kd5 h5 8.e5 h4 9.e6 h3 10.e7 h2 11.e8D h1D+ 12.De4 Dxe4+ 13.Kxe4 Sc2 14.Sb1 Sb4
  +/-  (1.16)   Tiefe: 23/45   00:00:19  26692kN, tb=11173
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h6 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Kc7 Df8 11.Dg1+ Se1 12.Dxe1+ Sc1 13.De4+ Sd3 14.Dxd3+ Ka2
  +-  (2.93)   Tiefe: 23/49   00:00:35  38511kN, tb=20528
...
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h6 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Dg1+ Se1 11.Dg8 Kc2 12.Dxa8 b1D 13.Sa3+ Kxb3 14.Sxb1 Kb2
  +-  (7.72)   Tiefe: 29/64   00:09:04  538mN, tb=1063553
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h6 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Kc7 Da4 11.Dg1+ Se1 12.Dxe1+ Sc1 13.Sc3+ Kc2 14.Sxa4 Kxb3
  +-  (9.67)   Tiefe: 30/68   00:20:18  2256mN, tb=3323867

Rübi3 kann's auch, wenn auch etwas langsamer (so 5 Min.) und vor allem wieder lange ohne HV (nach 15 Min. war's mir zu dumm).
Parent - - By Günter Müller Date 2010-01-07 13:08
[quote="Peter Martan"]
Hallo, danke für Fritz 12, hast du versucht, ihm den Nullzug abzudrehen? Kann man das überhaupt noch beim 12er?
Sehr ordentlich übrigens auch Deep Shredder 12 auf meinem obengenannten Quad:

Analysis by Deep Shredder 12 UCIP0:

1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.Sb3+ Kd1 4.Sb1 Kc2 5.S3d2 h5 6.gxh6 gxh6
  +/-  (0.84)   Tiefe: 6/6   00:00:00  5kN
...
1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.e4 Sb4 4.Sb3+ Kd1 5.Kc5 Sd3+ 6.Kd4 Se1 7.Kd5 h5 8.e5 h4 9.e6 h3 10.e7 h2 11.e8D h1D+ 12.De4 Dxe4+ 13.Kxe4 Sc2 14.Sb1 Sb4
  +/-  (1.16)   Tiefe: 23/45   00:00:19  26692kN, tb=11173
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h6 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Kc7 Df8 11.Dg1+ Se1 12.Dxe1+ Sc1 13.De4+ Sd3 14.Dxd3+ Ka2
  +-  (2.93)   Tiefe: 23/49   00:00:35  38511kN, tb=20528
...
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h6 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Dg1+ Se1 11.Dg8 Kc2 12.Dxa8 b1D 13.Sa3+ Kxb3 14.Sxb1 Kb2
  +-  (7.72)   Tiefe: 29/64   00:09:04  538mN, tb=1063553
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h6 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Kc7 Da4 11.Dg1+ Se1 12.Dxe1+ Sc1 13.Sc3+ Kc2 14.Sxa4 Kxb3
  +-  (9.67)   Tiefe: 30/68   00:20:18  2256mN, tb=3323867

Rübi3 kann's auch, wenn auch etwas langsamer (so 5 Min.) und vor allem wieder lange ohne HV (nach 15 Min. war's mir zu dumm).
[/quote]

Hallo Peter

Fritz 12 hat die Option " Nullzug verwenden" , hilft aber mit dieser Aufgabe nichts.
Dagegen schaft es Fritz 9 und sogar Fritz 5.32

Auch Shredder 12 auf AMD 64 X2 4600 hat kein Problem

5729: Der brillante Schachzug (56)
8/6pp/1K6/N5P1/3N4/8/npn1P3/k7 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Shredder 12 UCI:

1.Nxc2+ Kb1 2.Na3+ Kc1 3.e4 Nc3 4.Nb3+ Kd1 5.e5 Nd5+ 6.Kc5 Nf4 7.Kd6 h6 8.gxh6 gxh6 9.Nc5 Kc1 10.Nd3+ Nxd3 11.e6 Nb4 12.e7 Nc2 13.e8Q Nxa3 14.Qe1+ Kc2
  +-  (2.22)   Depth: 24/50   00:00:27  32728kN, bb=80634
1.Nxc2+ Kb1 2.Na3+ Kc1 3.e4 Nb4 4.Nb3+ Kd1 5.Kc5 Nd3+ 6.Kd4 Ne1 7.Kc3 Nf3 8.g6 h5 9.Kxb2 h4 10.Nc4 h3 11.Ne3+ Ke2 12.Ng4 h2 13.Nxh2 Nxh2 14.e5 Ng4
  +/-  (1.25)   Depth: 25/57   00:01:31  105mN, bb=224187
1.Nab3+ Kb1 2.Nb5 h6 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8Q h1Q 9.Qg6 Qa8 10.Qg1+ Ne1 11.Qg8 Nc1 12.Qxa8
  +-  (7.62)   Depth: 25/57   00:03:46  231mN, bb=224187
1.Nab3+ Kb1 2.Nb5 h6 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8Q h1Q 9.Qg6 Qa8 10.Qg1+ Ne1 11.Qg8 Nc1 12.Qxa8
  +-  (7.84)   Depth: 26/57   00:04:25  267mN, bb=638851
1.Nab3+ Kb1 2.Nb5 h6 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8Q h1Q 9.Qg6 Qa8 10.Qg1+ Ne1 11.Qg8 Nc1 12.Qxa8
  +-  (12.44)   Depth: 27/64   00:11:34  735mN, bb=2057031
Parent - - By Peter Martan Date 2010-01-07 14:37 Edited 2010-01-07 14:42
[quote="Günter Müller"]
Fritz 12 hat die Option " Nullzug verwenden" , hilft aber mit dieser Aufgabe nichts.
Dagegen schaft es Fritz 9 und sogar Fritz 5.32
[/quote]

Interessant!
Ich hatte das für eine Zugzwang- Aufgabe gehalten, ist es aber offenbar jedenfalls nicht nur.
Noch deutlicher wird, wie die Speerspitzen der modernsten Programmiertechnik damit umgehen zwischen Rübi und Robi.
Während erstere noch um die 5 Minuten fündig wird, hat Robi auf einem (Igorrit) und auf 4 Kernen keine Chance:

Analysis by RobboLito 0.085g3 w32:

1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.e4 Sb4 4.Kc5 Sd3+ 5.Kd6 h6 6.g6 Sf4 7.e5 h5 8.e6 Sxg6 9.S5c4 h4 10.Se5 h3 11.Sxg6 h2 12.e7 h1D 13.e8D Dd1+ 14.Kc5 b1D 15.Sxb1 Dc2+ 16.Kd4 Df2+ 17.Kc4 Kxb1 18.Db5+ Db2 19.Dh5 Da2+ 20.Kd4 Dd2+ 21.Ke4 Db4+ 22.Kf5 Dd4 23.Dh1+ Kc2 24.Dc6+ Kb3
  +/=  (0.61)   Tiefe: 6/49   00:00:00  1kN
...
1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.e4 Sb4 4.Kc5 Sd3+ 5.Kd6 h6 6.Sb3+ Kd1 7.Sc5 Sf4 8.Ke5 hxg5 9.Kf5 Ke2 10.Kxg5 Ke3 11.Sc4+ Kd4 12.Sxb2 Sh3+ 13.Kf5 g6+ 14.Kxg6 Sf2 15.Kf5 Sxe4 16.Sxe4 Kd5 17.Sd3 Kd4 18.Sf4 Ke3 19.Ke5 Kf3 20.Sd5 Ke2 21.Sc5 Kf3
  +/=  (0.55)   Tiefe: 26/71   00:15:53  1659mN
1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.e4 Sb4 4.Kc5 Sd3+ 5.Kd6 h6 6.Sb3+ Kd1 7.Sc5 Sf4 8.Ke5 hxg5 9.Kf5 Ke2 10.Kxg5 Ke3 11.Sc4+ Kd4 12.Sxb2 Sh3+ 13.Kf5 g6+ 14.Kxg6 Sf2 15.Kf5 Sxe4 16.Sxe4 Kd5 17.Sd3 Kd4 18.Sf4 Ke3 19.Ke5 Kf3 20.Sd6 Ke3 21.Sf5+ Kd2 22.Kd4 Kc2
  +/=  (0.54)   Tiefe: 27/71   00:24:22  2558mN

Dem "Probe- Igorrit" der als erster herumzugeistern begonnen hat, helfen über eine halbe Stunde lang 4 Kerne genauso wenig.
Mir scheint mehr und mehr, dass der wesentliche Spielvorteil der Robis gegen Rübi ein noch wahnwitzigeres pruning ist.
Dass es nicht der Nullzug allein ist, sieht man, wie du schon gesagt hast, auch an den Fritzen. 10 kanns noch flott, 11 nur mehr zäh, hab letzteren auch mit ohne Nullzug probiert, 10 Min. auf Quad nix, dann aber:

Analysis by Deep Fritz 11:

1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.e4 Sb4 4.e5 Sc2 5.Sb3+ Kd1 6.Sb1 Se3 7.e6 Kc2
  +/=  (0.37)   Tiefe: 11/21   00:00:00  133kN
...
1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.e4 Sc3 4.Sb3+ Kd1 5.Sc5 Se2 6.Kb5 Sf4 7.Kc4 Ke2 8.Kc3 Kf3 9.Kxb2 Kg4 10.Kc3 Kxg5 11.Kd4 h5
  +/-  (0.75)   Tiefe: 25/48   00:08:23  3877mN, tb=736950
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h5 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Dg1+ Se1 11.Dg8
  +-  (7.59)   Tiefe: 25/48   00:11:49  5509mN, tb=1103781

MV ist wohl wieder was anderes, da wird offenbar von den Varianten im output weniger wegselektiert.

Hier noch der jüngste Stockfish (eigentlich nicht mehr ganz der jüngste, derjenige, der noch vom team um Costalba stammt ohne das soft scaling von Corbit)

Analysis by Stockfish 1.6 JA:

1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.S5c4 Sc3 4.Sxb2 Kxb2 5.Sc4+ Kb3 6.Kc5 Sxe2
  -/+  (-0.92)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  10kN
...
1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.e4 Sb4 4.Kc5 Sd3+ 5.Kd6 Sf4 6.e5 h5 7.Sb3+ Kd1 8.e6 Sxe6 9.Kxe6 h4 10.Sd4 Kd2 11.Ke5 h3 12.Sc4+ Kc1 13.Sxb2 Kxb2 14.Sf3 Kc2 15.Kf4 Kd3 16.g6 Kc2 17.Kg3 Kd3 18.Kxh3 Ke3 19.Kg4 Ke4 20.Sg5+ Kd5
  +-  (3.83)   Tiefe: 28   00:14:24  3429mN
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h5 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1L 9.Dg8
  +-  (6.78 !)   Tiefe: 28   00:15:57  3798mN
...
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h5 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Dg1+ Se1 11.Dg8 Kc2 12.Dxa8 b1D 13.Sa3+ Kxb3 14.Sxb1 Kb2 15.Da3+ Kxb1 16.Db3+ Kc1 17.Dxa2 Kd1 18.Kb5 Sc2 19.Kc4 Kd2 20.Db2 Ke3 21.Dxc2 Kf4 22.Df2+ Kg4 23.Dg1+ Kh4 24.Dg6 Kh3 25.Kd4 Kh2 26.Ke3 Kh1 27.Kf3
  +-  (89.50)   Tiefe: 34   01:33:36  25394mN
Parent - - By Günter Müller Date 2010-01-07 15:43
Hallo Peter

Ich habe  Fritz 12 nocheinmal mit ausgeschaltetem Nullzug rechnen lassen
und länger gewartet .

5729: Der brillante Schachzug (56)
8/6pp/1K6/N5P1/3N4/8/npn1P3/k7 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 12:

1.Nxc2+ Kb1 2.Na3+ Kc1 3.e4 Nc3 4.e5 Ne2 5.Kc5 Nf4 6.Nb3+ Kd1 7.Kd4 Ne6+ 8.Kc3 Nxg5 9.Kxb2 Ke2 10.Kc3 h5 11.Nc4
  +-  (1.70)   Depth: 22/47   00:05:26  607mN, tb=317105
1.Nxc2+ Kb1 2.Na3+ Kc1 3.e4 Nb4 4.Nb3+ Kd1 5.Kc5 Nc2 6.Nb1 Ne1 7.Nc3+ Kc2 8.Kc4 Nd3 9.Nd4+ Kd2 10.Nf3+ Ke3 11.e5 Nf4 12.Nd4 h6 13.Nf5+ Kf3 14.gxh6 gxh6 15.Nxh6 Ne2
  +-  (1.46)   Depth: 23/51   00:19:38  2330mN, tb=977668
1.Nxc2+ Kb1 2.Na3+ Kc1 3.e4 Nb4 4.Nb3+ Kd1 5.Kc5 Nc2 6.Nb1 Ne1 7.Nc3+ Kc2 8.Kc4 Nd3 9.Nd4+ Kd2 10.Nf3+ Ke3 11.e5 Nf4 12.Nd4 h6 13.Nf5+
  +/-  (1.37)   Depth: 24/51   00:48:52  5654mN, tb=2510925
1.Nab3+ Kb1 2.Nb5 h6 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8Q h1Q 9.Qg6 Qa8 10.Kc7 Qf8 11.Qg1+
  +-  (7.68)   Depth: 24/52   01:06:10  7451mN, tb=4055341

Trotzdem , mit MV geht es schneller ( auch mit Nullzug )
Parent - By Peter Martan Date 2010-01-07 16:15
Hallo Günter!
Und auf Quad ist DF11 mit eingeschaltetem Nullzug, also default- Einstellung, doch auch doppelt so schnell:

Analysis by Deep Fritz 11:

1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.e4 Sb4 4.e5 Sc2 5.Sb3+ Kd1 6.Sb1 Se3 7.e6 Kc2
  +/=  (0.37)   Tiefe: 11/21   00:00:00  34kN
...
1.Sxc2+ Kb1 2.Sa3+ Kc1 3.e4 Sb4 4.Sb3+ Kd1 5.Sc5 h5 6.gxh6 gxh6 7.e5 Sd5+ 8.Kb5 Sf4 9.Kc4 Kd2 10.Kd4 Se2+ 11.Kd5 Kc3 12.Sa4+ Kb3 13.Sxb2 Kxb2 14.Sb5 Sf4+ 15.Ke4 Se6
  +/=  (0.60)   Tiefe: 30/49   00:04:01  1504mN, tb=395379
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h5 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Dg1+ Se1 11.Dg8 Sc1 12.Dxa8 Sxb3 13.Sa3+ Kc1 14.De4 Kd1 15.Da4 b1D
  +-  (11.44)   Tiefe: 30/56   00:05:31  2137mN, tb=804021
...
1.Sab3+ Kb1 2.Sb5 h5 3.gxh6 gxh6 4.e4 h5 5.e5 h4 6.e6 h3 7.e7 h2 8.e8D h1D 9.Dg6 Da8 10.Dg1+ Se1 11.Dg8 Kc2 12.Dxa8 b1D 13.Sa3+ Kd3 14.Sxb1 Ke3 15.Dxa2 Kf3
  +-  (19.33)   Tiefe: 36/59   00:22:59  11711mN, tb=3237396

Alles in allem sieht man aber gerade bei den Fritzen, wie von 10 zu 11 zu 12 die Selektivität offenbar doch immer höher geworden ist.
Parent - By peter struwel Date 2010-01-18 15:36
Engine:

FireBird 1.0 beta w32:
   1  00:00           268  0  -4,38  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Kb6c5
   1  00:00           268  0  -1,35  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 Sa5b3+ Kc1d1
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   2  00:00           914  0  -4,31  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Kb6c5 Sa2c3 Kc5c4 Sc2xd4 Sb3xd4
   2  00:00           914  0  -0,97  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 Sa5b3+ Kc1d1 e2e4
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   3  00:00         1.579  0  -4,31  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Kb6c5 Sa2c3 Kc5c4 Sc2xd4 Sb3xd4
   3  00:00         1.579  0  -1,43  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 Sa5b3+ Kc1d1 e2e4 Sa2c3
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   4  00:00         3.302  0  -4,36  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Kb6c5 Sa2c3 Kc5c4 Sc2xd4 Sb3xd4 Kb1c1 Sd4b3+ Kc1c2 Sb3d4+ Kc2d2
   4  00:00         3.302  0  -0,78  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 Sa5b3+ Kc1d1 e2e4 Sa2c1 Sb3c5 h7h6
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   5  00:00        11.433  0  -4,38  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4e6 Sa2c3 Kb6c5 Kb1a2 Sb3d2
   5  00:00        11.433  0  -0,68  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 Sa5b3+ Kc1d1 Kb6c5
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   6  00:00        25.920  1.728.000  -1,50  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D Sb3d2+ Kb1c1 Sd2b3+ Kc1d1
   6  00:00        25.920  1.728.000  -0,39  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 Sa5c4 Sa2c3 Sc4xb2 Kc1xb2 Sa3c4+ Kb2b3 Kb6c5 Sc3xe2
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   7  00:00        27.793  1.852.000  -1,50  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D Sb3d2+ Kb1c1 Sd2b3+ Kc1d1
   7  00:00        27.793  1.852.000  -0,29  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 Sa5c4 Sa2c3 Sc4xb2 Kc1xb2 Sa3c4+ Kb2b3 Sc4d2+ Kb3c2
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   8  00:00       121.106  1.953.000  -0,01  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Sa5b3+ Kc1d1 Kb6c5 Sb4c2 Sa3b1 Sc2e3 Kc5d4 Kd1c2 Kd4xe3 Kc2xb1
   8  00:00       121.106  1.953.000   0,00  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g6+ Se1c2
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   9  00:00       154.516  1.980.000   0,00  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g6+ Se1c2
   9  00:00       154.516  1.980.000  +0,16  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Sa5b3+ Kc1d1 e4e5 Sb4c2 Sa3b1 Sc2e3 e5e6 Kd1c2 Sb3d2 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 Kb6c5 Se3f5 Kc5d5 Sf5e7+ Kd5d6 Se7f5+ Kd6e5 Sf5e7
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  10  00:00       195.352  2.100.000   0,00  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g6+ Se1c2
  10  00:00       195.352  2.100.000  +0,16  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Sa5b3+ Kc1d1 e4e5 Sb4c2 Sa3b1 Sc2e3 e5e6 Kd1c2 Sb3d2 Se3f5 Kb6c5 h7h6 g5xh6 g7xh6 Kc5d5 Sf5e7+ Kd5d6 Se7f5+ Kd6e5 Sf5e7
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  11  00:00       399.775  2.324.000  +0,16  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Sa5b3+ Kc1d1 e4e5 Sb4c2 Sa3b1 Sc2e3 e5e6 Kd1c2 Sb3d2 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 Kb6c5 Se3f5 Kc5d5 Sf5e7+ Kd5d6 Se7f5+ Kd6e5 Sf5e7
  11  00:00       399.775  2.324.000  +6,48  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g8 Kb1c2 Dg8xa8 Kc2xb3 Da8g8+ Kb3c2 Dg8xa2 Se1d3 Da2c4+ Kc2d2 Sb5c3
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  12  00:00       968.016  2.951.000  +0,29  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 e4e5 Sb4c2 Sa5c4 Sc2d4 Sc4xb2 Kc1xb2 Sa3b5 Sd4e6 g5g6 h7xg6 Kb6c6 g6g5 Kc6d6 Se6f4 Sb5c7
  12  00:00       968.016  2.951.000  +6,82  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g8 Kb1c2 Dg8xa8 Kc2xb3 Da8g8+ Kb3c2 Dg8xa2 Se1d3 Da2c4+ Kc2d2 Sb5c3 Sd3e5 Dc4d4+ Se5d3 Kb6b5 Kd2c2 Kb5c4
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  13  00:33    57.153.136  1.706.000  +0,68  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Kb6c5 Sb4d3+ Kc5d4 Sd3e1 Kd4c3 Se1f3 g5g6 h7h5 Sa5c4 Sf3g5 e4e5 Sg5e4+ Kc3d4 Se4g5 Sc4xb2 Kc1xb2
  13  00:33    57.153.136  1.706.000  +7,43  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g8 Kb1c2 Dg8xa8 b2b1D Sb5a3+ Kc2xb3 Sa3xb1 Kb3b2 Sb1d2 Sa2b4 Da8h8+ Kb2c2 Sd2e4 Kc2b1 Dh8d4 Se1d3
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  14  00:49   135.432.191  2.730.000  +0,56  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Kb6c5 Sb4d3+ Kc5d4 Sd3e1 Kd4c3 Se1f3 g5g6 h7h5 Sa5c4 Sf3g5 e4e5 Sg5e4+ Kc3d4 Se4g5 Sc4xb2 Kc1xb2 Sa3c4+ Kb2c1 Sc4e3 h5h4 Se3f1 Kc1c2 Kd4d5 Kc2d3 e5e6 Sg5xe6 Kd5xe6 Kd3e2 Sf1h2 h4h3 Ke6e5 Ke2f2 Ke5f4 Kf2g2
  14  00:49   135.432.191  2.730.000  +7,63  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g8 Kb1c2 Dg8xa8 b2b1D Sb5a3+ Kc2xb3 Sa3xb1 Kb3b2 Sb1d2 Sa2b4 Da8h8+ Kb2c2 Sd2e4 Kc2b1 Dh8g8 Se1c2 Dg8b3+ Kb1c1 Kb6c5 Sb4c6 Db3c4 Sc6d4
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  15  00:49   136.482.957  2.733.000  +0,56  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Kb6c5 Sb4d3+ Kc5d4 Sd3e1 Kd4c3 Se1f3 g5g6 h7h5 Sa5c4 Sf3g5 e4e5 Sg5e4+ Kc3d4 Se4g5 Sc4xb2 Kc1xb2 Sa3c4+ Kb2c1 Sc4e3 h5h4 Se3f1 Kc1c2 Kd4d5 Kc2d3 e5e6 Sg5xe6 Kd5xe6 Kd3e2 Sf1h2 h4h3 Ke6e5 Ke2f2 Ke5f4
  15  00:49   136.482.957  2.733.000  +7,69  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g8 Kb1c2 Dg8xa8 b2b1D Sb5a3+ Kc2xb3 Sa3xb1 Kb3b2 Sb1d2 Sa2b4 Da8h8+ Kb2c2 Sd2e4 Kc2b1 Dh8g8 Se1c2 Dg8c4 Kb1b2 Dc4c3+ Kb2c1 Kb6c5 Kc1b1 Kc5d6
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  16  00:53   149.315.761  2.809.000  +0,56  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Kb6c5 Sb4d3+ Kc5d4 Sd3e1 Kd4c3 Se1f3 g5g6 h7h5 Sa5c4 Sf3g5 e4e5 Sg5e4+ Kc3d4 Se4g5 Sc4xb2 Kc1xb2 Sa3c4+ Kb2c1 Sc4e3 h5h4 Se3f1 Kc1c2 Kd4d5 Kc2d3 e5e6
  16  00:53   149.315.761  2.809.000  +7,69  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g8 Kb1c2 Dg8xa8 b2b1D Sb5a3+ Kc2xb3 Sa3xb1 Kb3b2 Sb1d2 Sa2b4 Da8h8+ Kb2c2 Sd2e4 Kc2b1 Dh8g8 Se1c2 Dg8c4 Kb1b2 Dc4c3+ Kb2c1 Kb6c5
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  17  00:54   152.990.919  2.829.000  +0,56  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Kb6c5 Sb4d3+ Kc5d4 Sd3e1 Kd4c3 Se1f3 g5g6 h7h5 Sa5c4 Sf3g5 e4e5 Sg5e4+ Kc3d4 Se4g5 Sc4xb2 Kc1xb2 Sa3c4+ Kb2c1 Sc4e3 h5h4 Se3f1 Kc1c2 Kd4d5 Kc2d3 e5e6 Sg5xe6 Kd5xe6 Kd3e2 Sf1h2 h4h3 Ke6e5
  17  00:54   152.990.919  2.829.000  +7,65  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g8 Kb1c2 Dg8xa8 b2b1D Sb5a3+ Kc2xb3 Sa3xb1 Kb3b2 Sb1d2 Sa2b4 Da8h8+ Kb2c2 Sd2e4 Kc2b1 Dh8g8 Se1c2 Dg8c4 Kb1b2 Dc4c3+ Kb2c1 Kb6c5 Kc1b1 Dc3b3+ Kb1c1
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  18  00:56   162.639.569  2.881.000  +0,56  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Kb6c5 Sb4d3+ Kc5d4 Sd3e1 Kd4c3 Se1f3 g5g6 h7h5 Sa5c4 Sf3g5 e4e5 Sg5e4+ Kc3d4 Se4g5 Sc4xb2 Kc1xb2 Sa3c4+ Kb2c1 Sc4e3 h5h4 Se3f1 Kc1c2 Kd4d5 Kc2d3 e5e6 Sg5xe6 Kd5xe6 Kd3e2 Sf1h2 h4h3 Ke6e5
  18  00:56   162.639.569  2.881.000  +7,77  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g8 Kb1c2 Dg8xa8 b2b1D Sb5a3+ Kc2xb3 Sa3xb1 Kb3b2 Sb1d2 Sa2b4 Da8h8+ Kb2c2 Sd2e4 Kc2b1 Dh8g8 Se1c2 Dg8c4 Kb1b2 Dc4c3+ Kb2c1 Kb6c5 Kc1b1 Se4d6 Kb1a2
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  19  00:59   172.997.271  2.936.000  +0,56  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Kb6c5 Sb4d3+ Kc5d4 Sd3e1 Kd4c3 Se1f3 g5g6 h7h5 Sa5c4 Sf3g5 e4e5 Sg5e4+ Kc3d4 Se4g5 Sc4xb2 Kc1xb2 Sa3c4+ Kb2c1 Sc4e3 h5h4 Se3f1 Kc1c2 Kd4d5 Kc2d3 e5e6 Sg5xe6 Kd5xe6 Kd3e2 Sf1h2 h4h3 Ke6e5
  19  00:59   172.997.271  2.936.000  +7,84  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g8 Kb1c2 Dg8xa8 b2b1D Sb5a3+ Kc2xb3 Sa3xb1 Kb3b2 Sb1d2 Sa2b4 Da8h8+ Kb2c2 Sd2e4 Kc2b1 Dh8h1 Sb4d3 Dh1g1 Kb1a2 Dg1g8+ Ka2a3 Dg8g7 Ka3b3 Dg7c3+ Kb3a2 Kb6b5 Ka2b1 Se4d2+ Kb1a2
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  20  01:45   340.627.689  3.239.000  +0,43  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Kb6c5 Sb4d3+ Kc5d4 Sd3e1 Kd4c3 Se1f3 g5g6 h7h5 Sa5c4 Sf3g5 e4e5 Sg5e4+ Kc3d4 Se4g5 Sc4xb2 Kc1xb2 Sa3c4+ Kb2c1 Sc4e3 h5h4 Se3f1 Kc1d1 Kd4d5 Kd1e2
  20  01:45   340.627.689  3.239.000  +7,97  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g8 Kb1c2 Dg8xa8 b2b1D Sb5a3+ Kc2xb3 Sa3xb1 Kb3b2 Sb1d2 Sa2b4 Da8h8+ Kb2c2 Sd2e4 Kc2b1 Dh8h1 Sb4d3 Dh1g1 Kb1a2 Dg1g8+ Ka2a3 Se4d2 Sd3c1 Dg8h8 Se1d3 Dh8c3+ Ka3a2
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  21  01:45   341.925.437  3.239.000  +0,43  Sd4xc2+ Ka1b1 Sc2a3+ Kb1c1 e2e4 Sa2b4 Kb6c5 Sb4d3+ Kc5d4 Sd3e1 Kd4c3 Se1f3 g5g6 h7h5 Sa5c4 Sf3g5 e4e5 Sg5e4+ Kc3d4 Se4g5 Sc4xb2 Kc1xb2 Sa3c4+ Kb2c1 Sc4e3 h5h4 Se3f1 Kc1d1 Kd4d5 Kd1e2
  21  01:45   341.925.437  3.239.000  +7,97  Sa5b3+ Ka1b1 Sd4b5 h7h5 g5xh6/ep g7xh6 e2e4 h6h5 e4e5 h5h4 e5e6 h4h3 e6e7 h3h2 e7e8D h2h1D De8g6 Dh1a8 Dg6g1+ Sc2e1 Dg1g8 Kb1c2 Dg8xa8 b2b1D Sb5a3+ Kc2xb3 Sa3xb1 Kb3b2 Sb1d2 Sa2b4 Da8h8+ Kb2c2 Sd2e4 Kc2b1 Dh8h1 Sb4d3 Dh1g1 Kb1a2 Dg1g8+ Ka2a3 Se4d2 Sd3c1 Dg8h8 Se1d3 Dh8c3+ Ka3a2

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